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Full Elite War Hero.. Deception sucks

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Full Elite War Hero.. Deception sucks

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ashanator
01.20.2013 , 06:33 PM | #1
Just hit full elite war hero on my sin today and my conclusion is deception seriously sucks.

Comparing it to madness the damage with deception just cant keep up, when creeping terror, discharge and crushing darkness are running, voltaic slash shock and discharge can't keep up.

People might say decep has more burst ? Where ? My shock hits for 1.9k non crit and discharge 2.3k then i have nothing as voltaic slash is beyond useless compared to a fully specced thrash.

I'm not hating on decep as this is the build i want as i find the play style better but just cant leave madness as the damage and survivability is much much better.

Anyone else have any luck with deception ?

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Xeraz
01.20.2013 , 07:36 PM | #2
Idk.. hitting for around 2k non-crit with +50% crit damage talents is pretty good actually. Additionally, you don't have to go all 31 points in Deception.. you can go around 27 and still grab the 50% extra crit on thrash.
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Dierdrea
01.20.2013 , 08:15 PM | #3
Quote: Originally Posted by ashanator View Post
Just hit full elite war hero on my sin today and my conclusion is deception seriously sucks.

Comparing it to madness the damage with deception just cant keep up, when creeping terror, discharge and crushing darkness are running, voltaic slash shock and discharge can't keep up.

People might say decep has more burst ? Where ? My shock hits for 1.9k non crit and discharge 2.3k then i have nothing as voltaic slash is beyond useless compared to a fully specced thrash.

I'm not hating on decep as this is the build i want as i find the play style better but just cant leave madness as the damage and survivability is much much better.

Anyone else have any luck with deception ?
Full elite war hero without minmax is crap, going full deception unless you are dueling is also crap, thinking dots has more burst than instants hits is crap, thinking you have nothing but voltaic slash while skipping maul and low slash is also crap....

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eugenelys
01.20.2013 , 10:36 PM | #4
Been a long time lurker in this forums. Used to play 23/1/17 pre 1.4 and then switched over to full 31 deception once they buffed the tree. What I can say is full deception can hit really hard but also take a lot of damage if you are not good in "expecting" where the damage is coming from. The combination of our def CD's (deflection/shroud) and our timing of buffs (overcharge saber/recklessness) is key in surviving and pulling off the numbers on this class. While I don't have youtube vids or any numbers to show you, my char Lani'ra of Gav Daragon server would feel free to duel you ^^

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NogueiraA
01.21.2013 , 01:21 AM | #5
Elite War Hero Full Min/Max?

If not, go min/max your gear, put 1070+ damage(pri minimum) and back here to show us your upgrade.

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Zunayson
01.21.2013 , 01:23 PM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by NogueiraA View Post
Elite War Hero Full Min/Max?

If not, go min/max your gear, put 1070+ damage(pri minimum) and back here to show us your upgrade.
Honestly just minmax war hero and use any more comms to RE for stabs. EWH is a waste of effort and your credits are better spent buying overlord thrones LOL.
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ashanator
01.21.2013 , 03:00 PM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by Dierdrea View Post
Full elite war hero without minmax is crap, going full deception unless you are dueling is also crap, thinking dots has more burst than instants hits is crap, thinking you have nothing but voltaic slash while skipping maul and low slash is also crap....
Not actually reading my post, crap

Madness damage exceeds deception.. not comparing burst damage

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THEFERRARICARGUY
01.21.2013 , 03:50 PM | #8
Sure, madness may dish out more damage, but it's mostly fluff as you can throw discharge on everyone every 20 seconds and get a million damage, easy. Plus it's the squishiest spec in the game too (I eat upwards of 6k smashes as madness with full war hero and a few elite pieces) so in all reality, deception does more single target damage, has good burst, and isn't a 2shot kill for snipers and smashers. (55% damage reduction with dark embrace, resets when exiting stealth) also, madness is a difficult spec to play to it's full potential. I personally roll madness just for fun in regular warzones, but by no means does deception suck. It's a mobile and highly damaging burst spec. Madness is a sustained damage spec and isn't intended for PvP, but rather a very viable PvE dps spec. Also it does seem you haven't minmaxed judging by the posts of the other people, so yes, deception is crap with 65% surge and 700 bonus damage. I have upwards of 950 bonus damage coupled with 30% buffed crit, and I melt face with it. It's not that the spec sucks, but the player behind the wheel that may bring the spec down.

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Dierdrea
01.21.2013 , 04:46 PM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by ashanator View Post
Not actually reading my post, crap

Madness damage exceeds deception.. not comparing burst damage
Quote: Originally Posted by ashanator View Post
Just hit full elite war hero on my sin today and my conclusion is deception seriously sucks.

Comparing it to madness the damage with deception just cant keep up, when creeping terror, discharge and crushing darkness are running, voltaic slash shock and discharge can't keep up.

People might say decep has more burst ? Where ? My shock hits for 1.9k non crit and discharge 2.3k then i have nothing as voltaic slash is beyond useless compared to a fully specced thrash.

I'm not hating on decep as this is the build i want as i find the play style better but just cant leave madness as the damage and survivability is much much better.

Anyone else have any luck with deception ?
I read your post. XD

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Xeraz
01.21.2013 , 07:00 PM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by Dierdrea View Post
I read your post. XD
I think you confirmed that he is trolling.
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