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Good guilds still accused of hacks

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Good guilds still accused of hacks
 

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DaTimba
01.20.2013 , 04:42 PM | #71
Quote: Originally Posted by Totaltrash View Post
First of all, why does anyone worry about false accusations if they are clean?
So far, nobody has been banned unjustly.

I think there are guilds that honestly don't know that they harbor a cheater.
Unless you are a healer, most of your attention is directed towards the enemy and the objective. So if the cheater doesn't do something brazingly outrageous (i.e. Gingers), the guildies might not even notice. I'm sure I have been on teams with lag switchers without becoming aware of it.

I also believe there are guilds who know that they harbor a cheater, but tolerate it, because it wins them warzones.
From their point-of-you, they are not doing anything illegal by keeping quiet. Until the cheater is caught by EAware, it is not in their best interest to report that guildie.

Lastly, I noticed there a few guilds who actively participate in cheating. Those are NOT the top guilds, but the wannabes, the kind that gets in trouble when facing a good pug team. I have seen 2 on Imp-side and 1 on Pub-side who apparently cheat as a guild activity. The warzones against them will always have lag spikes, regardless which guild members are playing, and miraculous game-winning stuff happens way too often whenever they get in danger of losing. Sometimes, I cannot pinpoint the individual cheaters (i.e. a bomb just appears on a watched door during a lag spike), so I end up reporting their entire warzone roster - it's EAware's job to investigate, they got the tools for it.

As a rule, whenever something funky happens, report report report and EAware sort them out.
Your statement is wrong on so many levels.

First all, "So far, nobody has been banned unjustly"
Completely untrue since we had a player get banned from our guild with absolutely no evidence presented. During that time it was pointed out multiple occasions how people have been banned and after arguing the case were unbanned. I know it sounds like I'm just saying my friend didn't hack, yet I stand by what I said, absolutely no evidence was presented to prove otherwise.

"Unless you are a healer, most of your attention is directed towards the enemy and the objective."
Absolutely incorrect when it comes to high level PVP. The teams that don't have all 8 members aware of their surroundings are the ones that get beat consistently.

"I'm sure I have been on teams with lag switchers without becoming aware of it."
Pictures (or in this case video) or it didn't happen. Download fraps and catch it then and only then can you really make this claim with any substance behind it. Until then this gets chalked up to all the other weird things that happens in games due to a poor engine.

"I have seen 2 on Imp-side and 1 on Pub-side who apparently cheat as a guild activity."
You say this yet you put no names behind it, mostly because it's a baseless claim and you're scared to get called out on the fact you have no proof against these guilds when they inevitably defend it. You also don't post your character name on this post or your sig and could just be anyone trying to rustle feathers. Nothing about this post has any credibility to your cause and is relatively useless to this discussion.

I will continue to preach this to all the hackussers out there. If you think hacking is so rampant in this game, download fraps for free, record it, and post it. Hell a week ago someone said they caught me and I even made a forum post for that person to post the video in... yet nothing, because like every other claim you guys make, it's all baseless accusations because you can't understand how you're getting beat or how to get better.
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Totaltrash
01.20.2013 , 04:42 PM | #72
Quote: Originally Posted by Psirebral View Post
PS: Sorey would like a word with you on the unjustly banned statement.
Video or it didn't happen.

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DaTimba
01.20.2013 , 04:44 PM | #73
Quote: Originally Posted by Totaltrash View Post
Video or it didn't happen.
That's interesting because there are videos of him not hacking all over the place... yet no videos of him hacking, no explanation of what he was doing, and any questioning of Bioware on the topic was deleted like it never occurred.
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Psirebral
01.20.2013 , 04:49 PM | #74
Quote: Originally Posted by Totaltrash View Post
Video or it didn't happen.
Just stay out of it bud, grown-ups are talking.

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Totaltrash
01.20.2013 , 04:58 PM | #75
Quote: Originally Posted by DaTimba View Post
That's interesting because there are videos of him not hacking all over the place... yet no videos of him hacking, no explanation of what he was doing, and any questioning of Bioware on the topic was deleted like it never occurred
Make a video of him getting unjustly banned, post the entire correspondence between him and Bioware, including his appeal and the length of his punishment, then I believe you - otherwise just hot air.
But before you do, read what's below:

Quote: Originally Posted by DaTimba View Post
You say this yet you put no names behind it, mostly because it's a baseless claim and you're scared to get called out on the fact you have no proof against these guilds when they inevitably defend it. You also don't post your character name on this post or your sig and could just be anyone trying to rustle feathers. Nothing about this post has any credibility to your cause and is relatively useless to this discussion.
You know, or should know, that naming people on the forums is against the EULA/TOS. If not, I suggest you read it.
And that is also WHY you cannot or should not post videos here (or email correspondence for that matter).
One quick note, "your" guild is not one of them, so relax.

Quote: Originally Posted by DaTimba View Post
Absolutely incorrect when it comes to high level PVP. The teams that don't have all 8 members aware of their surroundings are the ones that get beat consistently.
Aha, so you are telling me that you are completely aware of every ability, every gcd and every movement of all of your teammates at all times, even the guy ninja'ing the far node? Sure, I believe that.


It's funny how all the "there are no cheaters" people have moved to the server forums now.

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DaTimba
01.20.2013 , 05:32 PM | #76
Quote: Originally Posted by Totaltrash View Post
Make a video of him getting unjustly banned, post the entire correspondence between him and Bioware, including his appeal and the length of his punishment, then I believe you - otherwise just hot air.
But before you do, read what's below:



You know, or should know, that naming people on the forums is against the EULA/TOS. If not, I suggest you read it.
And that is also WHY you cannot or should not post videos here (or email correspondence for that matter).
One quick note, "your" guild is not one of them, so relax.



Aha, so you are telling me that you are completely aware of every ability, every gcd and every movement of all of your teammates at all times, even the guy ninja'ing the far node? Sure, I believe that.


It's funny how all the "there are no cheaters" people have moved to the server forums now.
OH so you're one of those people that makes baseless claims with no evidence to support it and won't put your name on it so everyone knows who you are, then you hide behind the EULA. We have a term for that on the internet, it's called an Anonymous Keyboard Warrior. Generally speaking your opinion is null and void.

As for me getting video of him being unjustly banned I'm not the one making accusations so why would I need to? You guys are the ones that are crying foul YOU prove it. Considering how openly disputed it all was, it's amazing that there was still no evidence showing he was hacking despite how much support he got and still gets being banned. Of course there is the whole argument that EA would absolutely research this and we're supposed to accept that from a company that researches things like THIS.

Also yes, I'm telling you I am aware enough to know if something out of the ordinary happens in a warzone and I'm certainly smart enough and experienced enough to know if it was completely out of the ordinary or impossible. Also my comment was about high level PVP which would mean that we were in mumble/vent with whoever was guarding the off node and that said person would certainly call out if someone is trying to ninja the off node.

As for your little sarcastic comment at the end there... I'll just assume you missed the part where the whole point of this thread was about a column that specifically targeted our server and guilds from our server. That's probably why it's on the server forums and not anywhere else.

Anyways until you want to put some names on your claims instead of hiding behind a EULA I'll go ahead and quote Psi there and say "Just stay out of it bud, grown-ups are talking."

Kthxbai.
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Asunasan
01.20.2013 , 05:39 PM | #77
Quote: Originally Posted by Totaltrash View Post
Make a video of him getting unjustly banned, post the entire correspondence between him and Bioware, including his appeal and the length of his punishment, then I believe you - otherwise just hot air.
You make an argument with no evidence. You point out that you can't furnish evidence because its against the user agreement. Fair enough, in that case we're are forced to make arguments from authority. I'm Asuna, I heal for the best Pub team on the server if not the best team on the server. I say you're wrong. Since you can't furnish evidence because its against the terms make an argument from authority or back away from this discussion and all like it.

PS you still wouldn't believe Tairisa even if the video of the conversation existed, you would just demand more evidence, like you did when she pointed out that just about every ranked match with the banned guy and many regular matches have been recorded and there is nothing there.

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JP_Legatus
01.20.2013 , 06:00 PM | #78
Quote: Originally Posted by penguinhunter View Post
?

I didn't realize Nekron, Vullesh, Dragis, Sheemie, Lainon and Psiebral were all on your "b" team.

Just like you guys, we had some on our A team and some who aren't.
kickball involes two captains from cookies, and each captain takes turns picking people until they have a team of 8 people.
In other words, when you see a kickball team you are getting exactly half of the top 8 players, and only out of the people who are actually online at that time.
It's quite different from a situation where you see 12 people online, grab the best 8 and form a team out of those 8 players who may or may not be your best 8 if others were online. We have players who aren't online too, and then we divide our strength into halves.
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JP_Legatus
01.20.2013 , 06:22 PM | #79
Quote: Originally Posted by tpryan View Post
"Again I don't know if you play on the Harbringer. But if you do you should know there is basically no hacking going on our server in 50s."

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=577932

we are on the largest populated server in the game...the game has hacks...of course there is hacking on our server. To clarify I have seen one of these guilds across the map with a prebuilt and they school us...I understand that...that is not hacking. being stunned 3-4 times in a row is NOT hacking...an "invincible" player is NOT hacking...A player moving fast once or twice is NOT hacking...I do understand what I am talking about.
So I watched the video, saw some guy moving left and right sporadically when the direction he would have walked in is quite obvious, and when he did get there he immediately got his face blown the **** up. Died before you even left the deadbox. It might actually be the feastest death I've ever seen from a marauder/sentinel.

I have seen a video where a guy speeds accross the bridge in a voidstar and I heard our guys all saying "oh yeah that guy is definitely hacking". In that video there was no erratic movement, he capped the door and he didn't die in 5 seconds like a noob.

In conclusion, I'm fairly certain this guy was lagging and not cheating because lets face it, nothing spectacular occured there except for the speed at which his sentinel face got put in the dirt.
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JP_Legatus
01.20.2013 , 06:26 PM | #80
Delete dis post pls and thanks <3
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