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[PvP Guide] Wakaworld: Your resource for advanced Sith Assassin/Jedi Shadow strategy!

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[PvP Guide] Wakaworld: Your resource for advanced Sith Assassin/Jedi Shadow strategy!

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JP_Legatus
01.16.2013 , 12:33 PM | #221
Dueling sniper is super simple, even if you can't win there's nothing complicated about it.
In madness you dot then Los, or even better you just stay Los and hit him by placing DF so your aoe can hit while still Los. In anything else you just pop in, fire an instant and Los before he can finish his cast timer.
If there's just open space, your best bet is darkness but you may still lose. Use your stealth when he hits entrench and wait it out, then use kb pull stun and interrupt to make sure he doesn't finish a cast.
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EatenByDistance
01.20.2013 , 02:42 AM | #222
going back to college in a few hours, no more streaming/videos for quite awhile probs.

In my free time I will do my best to update this guide with written stuff though. Here's what's on my to-do list:

-Written dueling guides for snipers/operatives, possibly written guides for all other ACs even though I have videos for them

-Extensive tips/tricks/things to note for warzone play

-Rewrite large sections of guide to make it more professional/less crass

-Gear guides for tank/madness

-In-depth guide on assassin talent trees and abilities


I'm planning on being pretty busy this semester doing a variety of irl stuff. That takes precedence to a ToR guide. So don't expect all (or most of, tbh) of this stuff to be out in the next few weeks or anything like that. But I will get around to it, I just need to find the time/motivation to do so. I just hope I can pump the content out before the expansion screws up everything and I need to rewrite the entire guide lol


If you have any things you'd like to see added to the guide in the future that I haven't mentioned above or can't answer in a brief post feel free to leave a suggestion in the thread.

p.s. made video for sorc/bounty hunter dueling but can't find it dunno if it got deleted if it did I'll make written guide along with the other stuff eventually
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gniok
01.21.2013 , 09:09 AM | #223
For a few months i was running 0/27/14 for pve having a lot of fun, but something was always bothering me. This something was that i couldn't proc induction with death field or discharge without hitting thrash (which i hate to use) and also it was frustrated to wait for the long cooldowns of df and discharge so bye bye burst. Eventually when i decided to do some tests myself, i ended up to the conclusion that i was not only loosing burst but also was loosing damage too.

So in order to see if its something going wrong or its just me, i tried some parses on the ops dummy using waka's 0/27/14 spec and the 2/31/8 chain shock for 7min on the first one and 10min on the second one. This is what i found out:

With the 0/27/14 spec
I used 80 times thrash, causing 43.438 total damage and having 542,98 avg damage.
I used 24 times DF, causing 44.614 total damage and having 1.858,92 avg damage.

With the 2/31/8 spec
I used 238 times VS, causing 143.330 total damage and having 602,23 avg damage. Plus that with this spec i had more dps in total and faster discharge cooldown due to 2 points on recirculation. Even if the parse was in 7min like the other one, it wouldn't matter. Again VS would cause much more damage than both DF and thrash together.

As it seems VS is essential not only to sustain your burst damage, but it also causes much more damage in total and procs and stacks induction immediately and always. All this time i wanted to believe that death field was op against voltaic slash and i was so WRONG.

Please do some parses on your own and share your results. Once more i must say that pve is my interest so for pve was my tests. Maybe for pvp it works different i don't know.

P.S. Adding 2 points on entropic field stacks with sith defiance or not?

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RankorSSGS
01.21.2013 , 12:17 PM | #224
Quote: Originally Posted by gniok View Post
For a few months i was running 0/27/14 for pve having a lot of fun, but something was always bothering me. This something was that i couldn't proc induction with death field or discharge without hitting thrash (which i hate to use) and also it was frustrated to wait for the long cooldowns of df and discharge so bye bye burst. Eventually when i decided to do some tests myself, i ended up to the conclusion that i was not only loosing burst but also was loosing damage too.

So in order to see if its something going wrong or its just me, i tried some parses on the ops dummy using waka's 0/27/14 spec and the 2/31/8 chain shock for 7min on the first one and 10min on the second one. This is what i found out:

With the 0/27/14 spec
I used 80 times thrash, causing 43.438 total damage and having 542,98 avg damage.
I used 24 times DF, causing 44.614 total damage and having 1.858,92 avg damage.

With the 2/31/8 spec
I used 238 times VS, causing 143.330 total damage and having 602,23 avg damage. Plus that with this spec i had more dps in total and faster discharge cooldown due to 2 points on recirculation. Even if the parse was in 7min like the other one, it wouldn't matter. Again VS would cause much more damage than both DF and thrash together.

As it seems VS is essential not only to sustain your burst damage, but it also causes much more damage in total and procs and stacks induction immediately and always. All this time i wanted to believe that death field was op against voltaic slash and i was so WRONG.

Please do some parses on your own and share your results. Once more i must say that pve is my interest so for pve was my tests. Maybe for pvp it works different i don't know.

P.S. Adding 2 points on entropic field stacks with sith defiance or not?
It has been made clear multiple times over that this is a pure pvp spec/thread/guide. It was never about pve. Most hybrids do not work well in pve, this is no exception.
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gniok
01.21.2013 , 12:29 PM | #225
Quote: Originally Posted by RankorSSGS View Post
It has been made clear multiple times over that this is a pure pvp spec/thread/guide. It was never about pve. Most hybrids do not work well in pve, this is no exception.
Didn't knew this, thanks for the info. Hope a good guide to be made for pve too.

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Raansu
01.29.2013 , 06:24 AM | #226
I see a lot of the deception builds skipping out on charge mastery. Is it really worth skipping out on something that ignores 9% armor?

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Atramar
01.29.2013 , 06:37 AM | #227
Quote: Originally Posted by Raansu View Post
I see a lot of the deception builds skipping out on charge mastery. Is it really worth skipping out on something that ignores 9% armor?
9% of armor is about (i think) 2% dmg reduction, so 3 points in 2% dmg is not pvp super important
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EatenByDistance
01.29.2013 , 12:30 PM | #228
Quote: Originally Posted by Raansu View Post
I see a lot of the deception builds skipping out on charge mastery. Is it really worth skipping out on something that ignores 9% armor?
if it was useful people would spec into it, hence why they don't

full deception needs 3 points in chain shock and might as well take the VS buff in darkness instead because VS is the only reason to ever consider running full deception over wakajinn and even then it isn't worth it but i digress

wakajinn has very specific talent tree numbers and can't afford any points in darkness

tl;dr armor pen isn't worth it and is outclassed by other options
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Quote: Originally Posted by Xerain
...and the only person who doesn't think so is some B-team assassin DPS who is just dragging his team down by playing the incorrect spec.

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Projawa
01.31.2013 , 05:44 PM | #229
Forum mods: this thread should be stickied.

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Squidkidz
01.31.2013 , 07:06 PM | #230
Armoury updated now that I'm full min/maxed. I may change out my hilt for a pve one but for now, this is the setup I'm running: Armoury
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