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Dear Bioware please balance PVP Teams

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Dear Bioware please balance PVP Teams

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Darkjolith
01.19.2013 , 10:25 PM | #1
Dear Bioware,

I tried SWTOR on Dec 2012 and enjoyed your storylines and PVE content that I decided to subscribe. I got my first Level 50 and started new alts. On PVE Content I have found your game mostly balanced and fun.

I started PVPing and it's just not fair. How does a new player compete with pre-made teams that are far better geared. They are so vastly superiorly geared that it's not worth PVPing as a new player. The warzones I enter is just one sided. The new player is dead within 3 to 5 seconds, this is not fun.

Please address this issue, why would any of your new players that have just subscribed want to renew when they are just killed over and over. There must be some sort of rating system you can implement , giving gear a number and the sum of over all gear is somewhat equal to the two teams facing against each other.

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Saelith
01.19.2013 , 10:35 PM | #2
you do realise that you get wh gear for normal coms right? so after few days or a week you can get pretty decent gear. So stop crying, rest of us spent loads of time to get our gear.
Innocence proves nothing.

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thegreebler
01.19.2013 , 11:54 PM | #3
lets see...

pure random vs a premade on voice = fair??

Not in a million years.

Lets try that with sports and see how long it lasts! Premade professional team vs random people that dont even know who they will be with!

To defend that is simply disgusting.
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United_Strafes
01.20.2013 , 12:16 AM | #4
I spent months to get the gear I have, you can now get a tier lower (very little difference) in a few days if you want, stop crying. Furthermore if you leveled up intending to play PvP you should have more than decent enough gear to compete as soon as you hit 50.

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thegreebler
01.20.2013 , 01:48 AM | #5
gear means little when facing vet premades; that IS the problem.
I believe this is what he means.
Not just the gear level but the experience of the players in 50 pvp.

random v premade = failure

Honestly unless this is fixed, it is the one thing that will cause me to cancel.

No way this could possibly be considered fair.

And if you have to use premade to compete, doesnt make you any good... if all you face are randoms.
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Skyhigh
01.20.2013 , 02:17 AM | #6
lol.....

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onstorm
01.20.2013 , 07:47 AM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by thegreebler View Post
gear means little when facing vet premades; that IS the problem.
I believe this is what he means.
Not just the gear level but the experience of the players in 50 pvp.

random v premade = failure

Honestly unless this is fixed, it is the one thing that will cause me to cancel.

No way this could possibly be considered fair.

And if you have to use premade to compete, doesnt make you any good... if all you face are randoms.
I kind of agree with you here, in that the way they are matching up teams is horrendous, and it is sucking the fun out of this game for me...to the point that as someone who has played, loved, and defended this game since beta I am thinking about throwing in the towel. I PUG and that is it and one of two things happens in EVERY war zone I am in...I am on a team that literally steam rolls over the opposing team as if they aren't even there or I am on a team where the other side seems to melt through us as of none of are even wearing armor. Neither one of these is much fun (though of course winning is preferable between the two), but very very few times do I ever get into a WZ that is even remotely evenly matched.

I don't know if the times we seem to destroy it is by sheer dumb luck that I have gotten on a team that partially a premade or not, but here is what I personally have come to experience over the past couple of months. I love the warrior class as I have always preferred melee to ranged. Even in SP games I will not play shooters as I can't stand them as I crave in your face melee combat. Anyway, getting tired of NEVER while playing my Mara, and I literally mean NEVER, getting a healer on my team I stupidly thought "wow our side needs some healers in PVP" and rolled one. I am not exaggerating in the least to say with my healer I have not once EVER gotten into a WZ where I am the only healer for my side, and would estimate about 50% to 60% of the time there are 3 of us and about 10 to 15% of the time have had 4 or more healers on my WZ team.

At this point I stupidly thought "wow, everyone else must have gotten tired of no healers in PVP and rolled one as well". So preferring the warrior I went back to my Mara....suddenly it appeared healers were again lacking on our side in PVP as I went from teams of at least 2 or 3 healers to having a healer on my team about 10% of the time. At this point I was getting frustrated and went back to my healer and sure enough was getting teams that were constantly made up of no less than two or three healers.

I have no idea *** they are doing during the queuing the match up teams, but it is horrendous. I doubt they are literally trying to make team matching awful and it is likely just the luck of the draw, but come on it should NOT be that difficult to match up several queued healers to teams with to spread them out a bit. I am frustrated especially after experiencing first hand how terrible the queuing and team making function works in this game. While player skill is one thing simple things like DPS/Heals/Guard abilities between teams and classes should be fairly simple to match up, however, based upon my own experience Bioware gets and epic fail in this department.

As for premades...seriously is it that difficult to match group queued against group queued? I understand that many premades avoid ranked because they aren't that good but can get a leg up against pure PUG teams, but it can't be that difficult to match say a group that queues 4 against a team that is comprised of a group that has also queued at least 4. Seems fairly simple to do (at least during higher pop times). I understand not everyone likes a fair fight and some prefer the ego stroke of their seeming ability to face their opponents even though they have a huge leg up on them, their ego stroke shouldn't come at the cost of others choosing not roll with premades get face rolled constantly. If you want a group PVP this game provides you with the option to do so. Why aren't the premades, if they be as skilled as they want to believe they are, rolling there?

PVP needs a bit more of a balance and not because the classes are not really that balanced but because the queuing/team matching system really is quite atrocious.

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Brimmer
01.20.2013 , 09:45 AM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by thegreebler View Post
lets see...

pure random vs a premade on voice = fair??

Not in a million years.

Lets try that with sports and see how long it lasts! Premade professional team vs random people that dont even know who they will be with!

To defend that is simply disgusting.
Been saying the same since release, and only replies I get are from trolls.
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Spoletta
01.20.2013 , 09:59 AM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by onstorm View Post

I don't know if the times we seem to destroy it is by sheer dumb luck that I have gotten on a team that partially a premade or not, but here is what I personally have come to experience over the past couple of months. I love the warrior class as I have always preferred melee to ranged. Even in SP games I will not play shooters as I can't stand them as I crave in your face melee combat. Anyway, getting tired of NEVER while playing my Mara, and I literally mean NEVER, getting a healer on my team I stupidly thought "wow our side needs some healers in PVP" and rolled one. I am not exaggerating in the least to say with my healer I have not once EVER gotten into a WZ where I am the only healer for my side, and would estimate about 50% to 60% of the time there are 3 of us and about 10 to 15% of the time have had 4 or more healers on my WZ team.
Basically this. We would get much less complaints about premades in wz if the matchmaking simply tried to also match teams by composition.
Wz queues are really low right now, we can afford to lengthen them a bit to improve the class balancing of groups. Why can't we just implement the queuing by role like we have for group finder? With the only difference that after it has tried for a bit it will let you play with whatever classes you have, instead of stopping wz pop until you find those 2 healers.

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IcyBergals
01.20.2013 , 10:18 AM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by onstorm View Post

I don't know if the times we seem to destroy it is by sheer Anyway, getting tired of NEVER while playing my Mara, and I literally mean NEVER, getting a healer on my team I stupidly thought "wow our side needs some healers in PVP" and rolled one. I am not exaggerating in the least to say with my healer I have not once EVER gotten into a WZ where I am the only healer for my side, and would estimate about 50% to 60% of the time there are 3 of us and about 10 to 15% of the time have had 4 or more healers on my WZ team.

At this point I stupidly thought "wow, everyone else must have gotten tired of no healers in PVP and rolled one as well". So preferring the warrior I went back to my Mara....suddenly it appeared healers were again lacking on our side in PVP as I went from teams of at least 2 or 3 healers to having a healer on my team about 10% of the time. At this point I was getting frustrated and went back to my healer and sure enough was getting teams that were constantly made up of no less than two or three healers.
When you are playing on your healer and getting into warzones with 7 other healers why don't you write down the names of the good ones and invite them to play with you on your Mara?