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Kaggath Tournament - Grievous vs Revan vs G0-T0

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Kaggath Tournament - Grievous vs Revan vs G0-T0

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MasterMe
01.18.2013 , 06:31 PM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere View Post
He barely survived against THE Soresu Master and The Chosen One. That's pretty good if you ask me.

How exactly is Revan going to get assassins to Grievous. Revan doesn't possess stealth. Not to mention that guard droids may be able to see stealthed assassins.
Then there's the time that Greivous barely survived an surprise attack (in his own home..... easily infiltrated) from Kit Fisto, his former Padawan, and a squad of clone troopers. Not only that, but I think they were trying to take Greivous prisoner. Revan won't be trying to take him prisoner.

So that there prooves that you don't even need steal to beat Greivous. Greivous will be confronted by Revan, possibly Malak, and a host of Assassins who can appear and disappear at will. Greivous will go down very easily in such a situation.

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MasterMe
01.18.2013 , 06:33 PM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere View Post
1. Like that is going to work. The problem with that strategy is that Grievous' infrastructure is galaxy-wide. And any attempt to attack that infrastructure will be met with stiff resistance. Grievous can simply move his superior numbers around Revan's forces and hit him from all sides. Revan's only option is to spread his forces out to prevent that, but that means that his fringe forces will be targetted and eliminated.

2. Grievous has a company of Magnaguards with him, not to mention cruisers filled with Battle droids. And don't bring the assassins into this. They are just normal men (the non-Force user ones) compared to Grievous. They can't use their 'drain' ability on him as he has no strength in The Force.

Ventress is an incredibly skilled warrior and the Nightsisters are completely different from Revan's assassins. Not to mention that Grievous is incredibly difficult to kill (either straight up or from him running away).
Yes. Greivous has zero force powers. No precognitive abilities. A lone assassin could simply stealth right up to Greivous, wack him, and be done with the droid.

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Canino
01.18.2013 , 06:43 PM | #13
I see G0-T0 coming out on top. Here's why...

First, if they all know they are fighting each other, who are the two prime suspects? Grievous and Reven. Who would attack an exchange boss when the others have huge armies? I think we can agree that Reven and Grievous will be the main fighters here. So after many battles, which has taken time-a win for Reven while Grievous wins this one, G0-T0 has manged to look at how Reven and Grievous have been fighting. He has bought troops to best fight them, and has been able to create many, many HK's. As the final battle ensues, Reven and Grievous attack each other. G0-T0 has HK's in position and... BANG! Whoever win the R&G (Reven vs. Grievous) will be killed by HK's an other assassins. Game over.

This is the simple version, but that's how I see the majority of scenarios happening.
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Canino
01.18.2013 , 06:44 PM | #14
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Yes. Greivous has zero force powers. No precognitive abilities. A lone assassin could simply stealth right up to Greivous, wack him, and be done with the droid.
This is extremely useful if Grievous were to defeat Reven. HK's would have no trouble in "deleting" him.
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Aurbere
01.18.2013 , 06:44 PM | #15
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Then there's the time that Greivous barely survived an surprise attack (in his own home..... easily infiltrated) from Kit Fisto, his former Padawan, and a squad of clone troopers. Not only that, but I think they were trying to take Greivous prisoner. Revan won't be trying to take him prisoner.

So that there prooves that you don't even need steal to beat Greivous. Greivous will be confronted by Revan, possibly Malak, and a host of Assassins who can appear and disappear at will. Greivous will go down very easily in such a situation.
Kit Fisto is a master of Shii-Cho (a form that excelled at fighting multiple weapons). It's pretty obvious that Kit would win. And on that topic, IIRC Grievous killed several of the clones... as a torso.

Now when I said that the assassins wouldn't work well, I noted that the guard droids may (MAY) be able to see them. Not only that, but the assassins aren't going to be that great against Grievous. Remember when he beat five Jedi Masters on Hypori (if that is still canon)? The more desperate he gets, the more dangerous he gets.

And no, an assassins can't just walk up behind him and "whack" him. He would have to complete disassemble Grievous and destroy his organs. Which means the assassins is forced into a direct confrontation because he has to remove that protective armoring. He won't be able to do so in stealth as Grievous would notice his body being tampered with.

Revan has to engage Grievous personally, and he would most likely run from a fight he can't win.
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Canino
01.18.2013 , 06:49 PM | #16
I think we should also consider Ventress. She loves power. Who has more darkside power-Reven or Grievous? She would want to join Reven. Malak would fight her, and it doesn't matter who wins. It just helps G0-T0 by getting rid of one more enemy, and always hurts Grievous. Either Ventress slays Malak, and join Reven, or Malak kills Ventress, and nothing changes for Reven.

If anyone even brings up this I have three things to say.
1.Explosives destroy them.
2.There are at the most 24 ever recorded.
3. G0-T0 and Reven could defeat them, with EXPLOSIVES!!!!!

EDIT: Wow, I posted a lot. And I'm not even near being done.
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Canino
01.18.2013 , 07:01 PM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere View Post
Kit Fisto is a master of Shii-Cho (a form that excelled at fighting multiple weapons). It's pretty obvious that Kit would win. And on that topic, IIRC Grievous killed several of the clones... as a torso.

Now when I said that the assassins wouldn't work well, I noted that the guard droids may (MAY) be able to see them. Not only that, but the assassins aren't going to be that great against Grievous. Remember when he beat five Jedi Masters on Hypori (if that is still canon)? The more desperate he gets, the more dangerous he gets.

And no, an assassins can't just walk up behind him and "whack" him. He would have to complete disassemble Grievous and destroy his organs. Which means the assassins is forced into a direct confrontation because he has to remove that protective armoring. He won't be able to do so in stealth as Grievous would notice his body being tampered with.

Revan has to engage Grievous personally, and he would most likely run from a fight he can't win.
This is a challenge, but I wonder if a projectile weapon could puncture duranium. Not much is said about it on wookiepedia. They might be a to use ion weaponry-but I don't know the effect that would have on Grievous. Or use explosives. The heat might become high enough, or the shock wave might kill him.
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Aurbere
01.18.2013 , 07:03 PM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by Canino View Post
I think we should also consider Ventress. She loves power. Who has more darkside power-Reven or Grievous? She would want to join Reven. Malak would fight her, and it doesn't matter who wins. It just helps G0-T0 by getting rid of one more enemy, and always hurts Grievous. Either Ventress slays Malak, and join Reven, or Malak kills Ventress, and nothing changes for Reven.

If anyone even brings up this I have three things to say.
1.Explosives destroy them.
2.There are at the most 24 ever recorded.
3. G0-T0 and Reven could defeat them, with EXPLOSIVES!!!!!

EDIT: Wow, I posted a lot. And I'm not even near being done.
The Super Tank's are not the best thing Grievous has (debateable). Grievous has an incredibly vast number of heavy vehicles. Revan can't keep up with Grievous' production power.

If somehow Revan wins (which is completely illogical given what we know of both sides), G0-T0 wins. If Grievous beats Revan (completely possible), then G0-T0's chances are a little less but still possible. I think it comes down to Grievous and G0-T0.

The topic of Ventress' defection is interesting to consider. But wouldn't Ventress kill Revan for more power? Or would she not duel him to see if he is powerful enough to serve? She can beat Malak pretty easily, but can she beat Revan? She has faced Jedi Council members and proven victorious on several accounts.

Really, it doesn't matter if Revan wins or not. He will still lose to Exar Kun, who will win his battle.
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"You felt it; the power of hate. The power of the Dark Side. Your eyes are opened. You see now. The power burns more brightly, stronger on the Dark Side. Despite what the Council had taught you, you now know the truth."- Count Dooku

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Aurbere
01.18.2013 , 07:08 PM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by Canino View Post
This is a challenge, but I wonder if a projectile weapon could puncture duranium. Not much is said about it on wookiepedia. They might be a to use ion weaponry-but I don't know the effect that would have on Grievous. Or use explosives. The heat might become high enough, or the shock wave might kill him.
I don't think Grievous is vulnerable to the weapons in the hands of the assassins. Remember his battle with the Gungans? How many pikes speared the General? Ion weaponry may be effective (again looking at the cheating ways of the gungans), but would Revan know to use it? Probably. Grievous did still put up a fight after taking several Boobas(funny word ) to the face!

I don't know about explosives. He's survived quite a few explosions.
Added Chapter 29 to The Shadows Fall
"You felt it; the power of hate. The power of the Dark Side. Your eyes are opened. You see now. The power burns more brightly, stronger on the Dark Side. Despite what the Council had taught you, you now know the truth."- Count Dooku

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Canino
01.18.2013 , 07:13 PM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere View Post
The Super Tank's are not the best thing Grievous has (debateable). Grievous has an incredibly vast number of heavy vehicles. Revan can't keep up with Grievous' production power.

If somehow Revan wins (which is completely illogical given what we know of both sides), G0-T0 wins. If Grievous beats Revan (completely possible), then G0-T0's chances are a little less but still possible. I think it comes down to Grievous and G0-T0.

The topic of Ventress' defection is interesting to consider. But wouldn't Ventress kill Revan for more power? Or would she not duel him to see if he is powerful enough to serve? She can beat Malak pretty easily, but can she beat Revan? She has faced Jedi Council members and proven victorious on several accounts.

Really, it doesn't matter if Revan wins or not. He will still lose to Exar Kun, who will win his battle.
I think Reven would do what Dooku did. Show her his power, through any means, and she will serve. Send her on a mission, and bang, she's yours. A mission that could inflict serious damage if successful. Say, destroying manufacturing plants, or stealing experimental weaponry. She would know everything about the CIS.

Also, even if Grievous beats Reven, he would have to come to Nar Shaddaa, which doesn't like being invaded. Would they be able to defeat the entire CIS? No, but they would do some damage. Add that up plus the mercs and assassins, bounty hunters and thugs, and you have a nasty gorilla fighting group to deal with, Grievous. And Grievous wouldn't be able to purchase the invisible ship finder thingy. But depending on G0-T0's pockets, a gravity well projector might be waiting for Grievous.
STATEMENT: I'm just a simple assassin...I mean bodyguard, master. You have nothing to fear.
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