Guarding the Healers

And do you know how many tanks uses Focused Defences as a defensive cd? =D it's mind boggling.

Either way, same as the OP I have given up on explaining threat mechanics to anyone other than a guildie and generally don't care if a tank guards me as a healer, sometimes I turn the guard off which once resulted in the tank putting the guard on me about 10 times in a Fp. It was hilarious, poor guy must have thought it's broken or something.

You'll pull agro on things that haven't been hit yet. Or things you're dpsing (I usually easily clear out a few wreak mobs with my sorc healing). Or if the tank is afk I guess.

Only time I've ever seen heals rip a target off a tank is phase 2 TFB, and even there, only happens for the first 20 seconds.

Try using that in the middle of LR-5 on LIHM and watch what happens......pure hilarity ensues as the team gets ripped apart. LOL.

[QUOTE=DarknessInLight;5742382]Any weak mob is globaled. Max 3 gcds on a strong(unless someone does a knock back when I hit sweep). A strong or champion, I can force stasis or the tank can stop being terrible and taunt. On a boss I'll usually blow a defensive cool down on agro before focused defense, which will eat up half+ of my resource bar, not to mention, it WONT drop threat after you pull.

I mean, I'll use it on an ops boss maybe, if I'm playing vigilance (and thus getting increased damage redux for it) but don't usually bother in fps.

[QUOTE=OlosBC;5742520]I was just pointing out the fact that Guardian Tanks should NOT be using Focused Defense when trying to hold aggro. Kind of pointless seeing as how the Tank is trying to hold aggro and FD is a threat cooldown. It can be enough to allow a dps to pull aggro off of the tank.

today on li lr5 droid i pulled agro off rakata/columi jug on secend boss it just became a joke on normal ads or spowned its normal with first heal but its only becos tank didint build agro on columi tank im pulling boss mid fight if i dps and heal so most of times in random hm i just heal to avoid pointless conversations
and yea i do pull agro in tfb but only for few sec

[QUOTE=DarknessInLight;5742556]The post I was responding to, you were talking about DPS guardians, not tanks.

HA! True, true.

The one thing that bothers me is just the lack of understanding of what is happening with threat mechanics.

When I first made my shadow tank and started running HM FPs (some time ago), I actually decided to try and understand this argument from a purely practical perspective. I didn't guard ANYONE and tried to hold all the aggro all the time.

I discovered that without using guard at all, I could keep mobs off of the healer. Even with dps that had gold fever. Using aoe abilities at the right time, as well as aoe taunts and single target taunts, I could keep the healer safe, even during an accidental double-group pull.

Sure, sometimes aggro would slip, but if I saw someone attacking the healer, I could grab it back very quickly, keeping some of my threat abilities off of cd so I could use them when needed.

On the flipside, if I were ever grouped with a dps that could really bring the pain, that dps would pull off of me, and I would have to blow cooldowns keeping aggro off the dps. Cooldowns which were then not available to keep the healer safe.

When I guard the dps that is puling off of me, magically things get easier. O.o

Anyone who is campaigning to always guard the healer makes me shake my head.

No clue what server you are on, but if it is The Harbinger, you always have a healer willing to go with you. I hate when people guard me even in those few times in Ops when guarding the healer actually helps. I never say anything, but I hate guard on the healer. No clue why.

Also now I really don't care if the tank and the dps let the mobs attack me, but where were you when I was a lowly fresh 50 healer and didn't have the gear/knowledge to fend for myself?

As a tank I always guard the healer... Not because I think that's a good use of my guard but because I'm just sick and tired of dps'ers telling me, "don't need the guard bro put it on player x".

Yeah, I could argue... But why? I really don't care if I use guard or not. If it makes a healer feel better I'll put it on them... If some "omg omg leet über DPS'er" wants to throw a tantrum and try and "school" me on why they should have it, I put it on them. Whatever it takes to shut the noobs up so we can get to killing