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Same gender relationships clarifications?
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Lillark
01.17.2013 , 08:58 PM | #5411
The current SGR situation with Makeb is discussed in an article on The Escapist Magazine

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/arti...m_campaign=all

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SithKoriandr
01.17.2013 , 08:58 PM | #5412
Quote: Originally Posted by Kioma View Post
Well, given there's several different forms of accepted Star Wars canon and the MMO itself fits firmly into the Expanded Universe portion of it I'd suggest the hardcore purists should probably not be playing. Or, even better, should relax their concepts of what is and isn't 'canon'.
Or, fight to keep the canon/lore intact, since they came to MMO for the love of the IP?

Still, bad idea to mix the IP properties, but they could give a race that is like the Asari and make it for SW while being a nod to the Asari.

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Kioma
01.17.2013 , 09:09 PM | #5413
Quote: Originally Posted by SithKoriandr View Post
Or, fight to keep the canon/lore intact, since they came to MMO for the love of the IP?
Seems little point, given that the entire MMO and everything in it deviates from original movie canon. It's not their fight to fight. EA/Bioware has the right to deviate from the movie canon. They literally paid for those rights.

Besides, fight to keep which canon/lore intact? Unlike most universes Star Wars keeps track of as much of the different forms of canon lore as it can (in a big database they apparently call 'the Holocron'). There's more than one form of valid canon lore for Star Wars, and people coming into SWTOR claiming it should stick faithfully and unfailingly to the movie lore are actually fighting against the valid EU lore.

I mean, I'm cool with people making constructive criticism about changes. That's entirely fine. But taking the party-line that the writers don't actually have the right to do so seems to be missing the point a bit.

Quote: Originally Posted by SithKoriandr View Post
Still, bad idea to mix the IP properties, but they could give a race that is like the Asari and make it for SW while being a nod to the Asari.
They could. I don't personally think they need to. There's so much in the way of unused species in Star Wars lore that they could be releasing several a year for over a decade and not need to worry about running out. I'd expect to see Zeltron before Star Wars-ified asari, in any case.
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SithKoriandr
01.17.2013 , 09:18 PM | #5414
Quote: Originally Posted by Kioma View Post
Seems little point, given that the entire MMO and everything in it deviates from original movie canon. It's not their fight to fight. EA/Bioware has the right to deviate from the movie canon. They literally paid for those rights.

Besides, fight to keep which canon/lore intact? Unlike most universes Star Wars keeps track of as much of the different forms of canon lore as it can (in a big database they apparently call 'the Holocron'). There's more than one form of valid canon lore for Star Wars, and people coming into SWTOR claiming it should stick faithfully and unfailingly to the movie lore are actually fighting against the valid EU lore.

I mean, I'm cool with people making constructive criticism about changes. That's entirely fine. But taking the party-line that the writers don't actually have the right to do so seems to be missing the point a bit.



They could. I don't personally think they need to. There's so much in the way of unused species in Star Wars lore that they could be releasing several a year for over a decade and not need to worry about running out. I'd expect to see Zeltron before Star Wars-ified asari, in any case.
I meant the players. And you're right, trying to keep to canon is going to be hard, because the EU messes it up so much it's not funny, and the movie prequals went and added to it. Basically it comes down to the same thing this thread does...fight for what you'd like to see in the game and what you think shouldn't be.

I'd like to see the return to Star Wars canon of "OMG THEY HAVE A LIGHTSABER AND KNOW HOW TO ACTUALLY WEILD IT! RUN!" or in other words, Light Sabers as a real threat.

Zeltron and Echanti...how i keep hoping.

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stuffystuffs
01.17.2013 , 09:19 PM | #5415
Quote: Originally Posted by Zandilar View Post
(Which is kind of strange, as my first ever pencil and paper RPG character was a male paladin, many of my earliest characters were male, and it wasn't until I came out to myself that I started to play only female characters. Not quite sure what that says about me!)
I was the same way...maybe it's a thing XD

With earlier RP games, I also played male to romance the female characters ( I guess it was okay with me then b/c it was still a heterosexual relationship). I'm not really interested in doing that anymore.
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Samy_Merchi
01.17.2013 , 09:34 PM | #5416
Quote: Originally Posted by SithKoriandr View Post
You realize the character is not you, right (not so sure, judging by your sig)?
Of COURSE, that's a ridiculous question to even ask. You're basically insinuating that I have a psychological inability to discern between real life and a game. How would you feel if I started to call your sanity into question simply because of the preferences you have?

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You're not being forced to romance anyone or have to cross dress to play the game right?
Correct. I think any person with the intelligence of a shoe knows that they don't have a gun held to their head. So I'm not sure where you're going with something that even an amoeba can understand.

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You make a character, pick what they look like, then play the character (is this your first mmo?)
My seventh actually. And before that I've roleplayed since the eighties. So if anybody is going to educate anybody about what roleplaying is like, I won't be on the receiving end.

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Samy_Merchi isn't saying 'all men are disgusting' or 'all men are lesser creatures', nor anything of the sort. She's saying that she finds male characters disgusting (presumably due to a very strong personal preference), or at least the ones she tried to make with the SWTOR character builder.
More or less precisely this. There's a difference between *characters* I find disgusting and *people* I find disgusting (which I don't). To go back to SithKoriandr's insinuation, the difference between game and real life, it is important to remember to discern it.

To be even more precise, actually, I would amend my statement to read, I find male characters (note how we're talking about characters still, not people) disgusting *to play*. I don't necessarily find interacting with male characters uncomfortable, I have no problem scening with Corso or Jorgan or whatever, but pretending to be one makes me very uncomfortable -- essentially, the feeling of being forced to cross-dress. That is the feeling I find disgusting, having to wear the skin of a gender I don't like to play. Not the gender itself. It would be silly.
In order to have romance in this game, I am forced to either crossdress or change my sexual orientation. Nice. Thanks "Bioware".

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Dawnfale
01.17.2013 , 09:38 PM | #5417
I vote for 2a and 3

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SithKoriandr
01.17.2013 , 10:20 PM | #5418
Quote: Originally Posted by Samy_Merchi View Post
Of COURSE, that's a ridiculous question to even ask. You're basically insinuating that I have a psychological inability to discern between real life and a game. How would you feel if I started to call your sanity into question simply because of the preferences you have?

Correct. I think any person with the intelligence of a shoe knows that they don't have a gun held to their head. So I'm not sure where you're going with something that even an amoeba can understand.

My seventh actually. And before that I've roleplayed since the eighties. So if anybody is going to educate anybody about what roleplaying is like, I won't be on the receiving end.

More or less precisely this. There's a difference between *characters* I find disgusting and *people* I find disgusting (which I don't). To go back to SithKoriandr's insinuation, the difference between game and real life, it is important to remember to discern it.

To be even more precise, actually, I would amend my statement to read, I find male characters (note how we're talking about characters still, not people) disgusting *to play*. I don't necessarily find interacting with male characters uncomfortable, I have no problem scening with Corso or Jorgan or whatever, but pretending to be one makes me very uncomfortable -- essentially, the feeling of being forced to cross-dress. That is the feeling I find disgusting, having to wear the skin of a gender I don't like to play. Not the gender itself. It would be silly.
Like I said. I was basing it purely off your post and your sig. You're not cross dressing when you pick an avatar that is different than your RL gender. In no way questioned anyone's sanity on preferences. But when people start saying the avatar and them are the same thing, I do question it.

Also, you're not the only one who's RPed since the 80s. Late 80's count as 80's right?

And if this is your 7th MMO, tell me, what's the difference between this MMO and any of the others from a game mechanic really? Go to point A head to point B, kill things by pressing buttons, move on.

Do the same thing here. Just like you did in the previous MMOs. Role a female character and play the game. Since you seem to put a lot of who you are in RL into your character, then play it as longing for the unrequited love (a valid RP storyline and a real life experience I don't think anyone's ever not experienced).

But still, you're not being forced to play a hetrosexual or a cross dresser.

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Revanchis
01.17.2013 , 10:31 PM | #5419
Quote: Originally Posted by Jiminison View Post
I understand it and I get it and you would make a very good politician aswell. I know what I read. I actually wanted to bring up Marriage i.e ceremony,ring and or Rp tools between players and I get reverse discrimination instead. I feel more Rp style relationship tools would be fun to toy with and would open it up to the next level for all peeps.
Except there's nothing there for the people who enjoy the stories and the acting of the current romances. Bioware are excellent character writers, there's no way an RP'ed relationship is going to come close to that. RP'ing is best left to PnP games.

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Samy_Merchi
01.17.2013 , 10:36 PM | #5420
Quote: Originally Posted by SithKoriandr View Post
You're not cross dressing when you pick an avatar that is different than your RL gender.
Of course I'm not. Cross dressing involves actually putting on the opposite gender's clothes in real life. What I said is it makes me FEEL LIKE cross dressing, which was meant to convey the sensation that it makes me feel very uncomfortable, but for some reason this doesn't seem to penetrate.

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In no way questioned anyone's sanity on preferences. But when people start saying the avatar and them are the same thing, I do question it.
.In no way you questioned anyone's sanity. Then in the very next sentence, you do question it. Do please make up your mind.

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And if this is your 7th MMO, tell me, what's the difference between this MMO and any of the others from a game mechanic really?
Ability to make dialogue choices, ability to build affection with companions. And yes, those are game mechanics because they involve you making choices in pursuit of some reward, as opposed to something like passive cutscenes which are there just for aesthetic pleasure.

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Do the same thing here. Just like you did in the previous MMOs.
Why do you think they are *previous* MMOs? BECAUSE THAT LEVEL OF ENGAGEMENT ISN'T SUFFICIENT FOR ME. That's why I came to SWTOR over the previous ones. If SWTOR can only offer the same crap as the previous MMOs, why play it in the first place?

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Role a female character and play the game. Since you seem to put a lot of who you are in RL into your character, then play it as longing for the unrequited love (a valid RP storyline and a real life experience I don't think anyone's ever not experienced).
If I want to actually have a romance in game, that's hardly an option.

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But still, you're not being forced to play a hetrosexual or a cross dresser.
If I want to actually have a romance, I am forced to play a heterosexual, yes.
In order to have romance in this game, I am forced to either crossdress or change my sexual orientation. Nice. Thanks "Bioware".