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I'm terribly disapointed by cartel packs.

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I'm terribly disapointed by cartel packs.
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01.17.2013 , 03:18 PM | #101
Quote: Originally Posted by Arlon_Nabarlly View Post
Ships as in is delivered to the players aka released. This has nothing to do with physical ships.
I totally miss read the when as with my bad would have like new ships though!
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01.17.2013 , 03:21 PM | #102
Quote: Originally Posted by DamionSchubert View Post
Why can't I sell some of this junk that is worthless on the GTN?
We are examining that possibility, and even if we did so, we would likely make the sale price negligible, to avoid having too harsh an effect on the economy (I don't want buying Cartel Packs to be a particularly effective and reliable way to get credits).
Some items, like the speeders for instance, have a sale price listed when you go to a vendor. For the speeders, it is 25,000 credits. So are we supposed to be able to sell them to vendors and there is an error preventing that? Or is the listed sales price the error and they were never intended to have any sale price or be able to be sold to vendors?

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01.17.2013 , 03:33 PM | #103
Quote: Originally Posted by DamionSchubert View Post

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01.17.2013 , 03:41 PM | #104 This is the last staff post in this thread.  
Do you have a pre-set number of packs and items set up ahead of time for a certain period of time?
We develop a set of these packs (we call them a 'Shipment') at one time. Shipment 1 will have 4 packs associated with them (not counting the cheap pack), with one additional pack coming out before Rise of the Hutts. After that, a new shipment will come out, likely with a new name (instead of 'Cartel Packs', they will be 'Contraband Packs', for example).

Developing a shipment has a long lead time. Most of the art for shipment 2 is already complete, and we are currently in planning stages for shipment 3. This is not to say that we can't slide things around, or pull something forward or get something in a hurry if we see a great idea or if something on the market really sells. But the capacity for this kind of movement is very limited.

We also want these packs to have a reasonable life post-removal. As a result, we philosophically resist actually adjusting the internal math of these packs (i.e. what's in them, at what drop rate) after they've been released, so that the value of the packs is a known quantity. This is not to say we never would do so if there was a serious problem -- but we really don't want to. Short form: there likely will be a time in the future where the GTN is the ONLY place to buy a Skip Tracer's Pack.



Are you afraid that greed will corrupt the game?
The cartel market funds the ability for players to play for free, which has allowed a huge number of players who couldn't or wouldn't play the game to do so now. This has resulted in more dev resources, and larger, more vibrant communities. And we've done so while still making market transactions mostly optional. I'm pretty much in the camp that we're on the Light Side on this, so far at least.


Why do these items currently have a price if they are unsellable?
Some game systems require a value for parts of the game to work. As an example, the GTN needs it to know what base price to set things to (and IIRC, doesn't let you put things up for sale that doesn't have a value). These items are currently hardcoded to not be sold to NPC vendors, despite their internal credit value.
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01.17.2013 , 03:56 PM | #105
Question for you: Do you feel that Cartel Packs are a dishonest way of getting the maximum amount of Money out of players by having them gamble for items they want.

Rather than go into the cartel maket and spend a set pre-determined amount of money on an outfit or speeder or pet or whatever you decide to put the most sort after items such as the revan mask or other outfits/pets/emotes in the Cartel pack. Hoping to take advantage of incredibly bad odds that they will try again and again and again like any gambling addict to finally get that item or even just come away good on their loss. After all you would never be able to sell a pack of 10 worthless crafting components, a purple companion item, a banner and credit box or whatever else junk that clogs the GTN. The vast majority of these boxes are junk and not worth the money spent on them. Instead the chance to get a rare item is what is really being sold. And in no way an up front and honest of providing value for money. Even Casinos have to tell you what the odds of winning are.

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01.17.2013 , 04:00 PM | #106
Quote: Originally Posted by Costello View Post
Question for you: Do you feel that Cartel Packs are a dishonest way of getting the maximum amount of Money out of players by having them gamble for items they want.

Rather than go into the cartel maket and spend a set pre-determined amount of money on an outfit or speeder or pet or whatever you decide to put the most sort after items such as the revan mask or other outfits/pets/emotes in the Cartel pack.
Sure it increases money gained by a lot but at the same time it is also a mechanic to limit the distrobution of certain items. If they put the Command Throne, Nihilus Mask, or White Crystals for sale directly everyone in the game would have them and there would be no uniqueness to those. So while it can lead to greed and revenue it also has some benefit to the game world. At least I believe it does.
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01.17.2013 , 04:04 PM | #107
Quote: Originally Posted by DamionSchubert View Post
There are a few questions raised in this thread.
Any chance you will comment on the ACTUAL rarity of the items? Or, offer clearer ways for us players to see the true scarcity? For example, all three Revan armor pieces share the same rarity symbol, yet the Mask is clearly the rarest of them.
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01.17.2013 , 04:17 PM | #108
Real shame that Mr. Schubert didn't include the metrics of other gold-quality items, which most of us tend to get. I am speaking of all the useless colour crystals and such. I have opened 50 packs and I ne'er found a single item mentioned by him. None of my items found was worth more than 200k.
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01.17.2013 , 04:21 PM | #109
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Real shame that Mr. Schubert didn't include the metrics of other gold-quality items, which most of us tend to get. I am speaking of all the useless colour crystals and such. I have opened 50 packs and I ne'er found a single item mentioned by him. None of my items found was worth more than 200k.
You have horribly bad luck then I have got and sold the Nihilus mask and Revan Mask and sold them for 2/2.5 million on the GTN. I have also sold several Blue-Cyan crystals for 200k-250k each.
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Alec_Fortescue
01.17.2013 , 04:25 PM | #110
Quote: Originally Posted by LukeSaberRattler View Post
You have horribly bad luck then I have got and sold the Nihilus mask and Revan Mask and sold them for 2/2.5 million on the GTN. I have also sold several Blue-Cyan crystals for 200k-250k each.
I am serious. My rarest items were the new colour crystals, endurance ones... Once I got a set of both Revan's armor and robes but that was post the hype and high-prices. :l
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