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cycao
01.17.2013 , 12:31 PM | #81
Quote: Originally Posted by Draaconis View Post
A race name and backgroud for whatever Yoda is now that George Freaking Lucas is not responsible for it anymore. Then, that race in the game.
There is no name for the race...no one really knows.

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HoboWithAStick
01.17.2013 , 12:45 PM | #82
This doesn't belong in the game guys, whats wrong with keeping lore even somewhat in line?

I honestly feel bad for the roleplayers having to read this kind of stuff and also the fact they play a with a serious tone but no serious players.

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chuixupu
01.17.2013 , 12:57 PM | #83
Quote: Originally Posted by Fornix View Post
Personally, I disagree. Although it completely depends on how it's done.

For example, myself I do not speak Japanese. Can I watch anime? Yes, most definitely. Heck, I even prefer it watching subbed over dubbed. Not understanding the language, doesn't make me want to punch in the screen.

Nor do I truly speak French. Sure, I can order a beer, buy some bread, etc. whilst in France. But a conversation? No, that's too far. However, I most definitely do not mind watching movies in French with subtitles. It by far makes me want to punch in the screen.

And the same goes for some languages in SWTOR. For example Jawa's making their sounds, are all fine to me. I most definitely wouldn't object to playing as one of them.

But there's also some alien language spoken by some which sounds like some sort of mutant fly is doing the talking. I most definitely wouldn't want to listen to that every quest no.
I love watching subtitled shows personally. This is totally different from what we are experiencing in the game, for the reason that I stated previously: They aren't real languages, they're just a small set of words that keep getting repeated over and over and it really does start to grate on me. Listening to a foreign language and listening to gobbledygook have a different effect on my brain. They're fine in small quantities, but the more I hear them the more they bug me.
Wardens of Fate / Alea Iacta Est
The Tarkus Legacy ~ The Harbinger/Jedi Covenant

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Lium
01.17.2013 , 01:39 PM | #84
Quote: Originally Posted by DamionSchubert View Post
We probably would never make a non-English speaking player race. I know it seems attractive, but simply put, hearing alien for way too long drives you crazy. An early build of the game had Tython populated by a race other than Twi'leks, and after about the fourth quest, you want to put a fist through your monitor.

So any races we add in the future will need to plausibly be able to speak basic.
One thing I don't really understand is why a race like the togruta (Ashara Zavros's species) wasn't included. I remember reading your reasoning a while back for why we only had human-like species and it made sense from a cinematic perspective. It wouldn't be plausible or realistic to have a jelly fish talking to someone without them saying, "What the hell are you supposed to be, anyway?" [Insert Hanar joke here.]

But togruta is no more alien looking than twi'leks. Neither are Voss. And they are certainly less alien than cathar. This is one of the few aspects of SWTOR that is a real turn-off to me and quite puzzling. I don't understand why there wasn't more variety for playable species in a Star Wars game, a universe known for its alien creatures.

The whole notion about the main characters in the movies all being human misses the point. This is an MMO. Not a movie. And in an MMO, any time you sacrifice customization for cinamatics, you lose the spirit of the genre entirely.

Which can translate into people leaving.

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DeltaEkotte
01.17.2013 , 01:45 PM | #85
Trandoshan and Wookiee would be nice I think.
Imperial General Ekotte, Captin of the Mandalorian Fist

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chuixupu
01.17.2013 , 02:07 PM | #86
Quote: Originally Posted by Lium View Post
One thing I don't really understand is why a race like the togruta (Ashara Zavros's species) wasn't included.
I think it's simply that they couldn't include all possible species at launch, and they had a vote to decide on which ones to put in, which would be easiest to design different facial features for, outfits for, etc.. I am pretty sure Togruta will make it in at some point, especially considering 1) they're already in the game and 2) they're very popular.

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The whole notion about the main characters in the movies all being human misses the point. This is an MMO. Not a movie. And in an MMO, any time you sacrifice customization for cinamatics, you lose the spirit of the genre entirely.

Which can translate into people leaving.
Well, not necessarily. WoW launched with the absolutely most dismal customization I've ever seen, and they've only marginally improved it with allowing people to change hair and transmogrify gear in more recent times. 25 man raids back before Cataclysm was like an army of clones. Yes, you can be some really different looking races now, but good luck distinguishing yourself from everyone else that plays that same race.
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Lium
01.17.2013 , 02:14 PM | #87
Quote: Originally Posted by chuixupu View Post
I think it's simply that they couldn't include all possible species at launch, and they had a vote to decide on which ones to put in, which would be easiest to design different facial features for, outfits for, etc.. I am pretty sure Togruta will make it in at some point, especially considering 1) they're already in the game and 2) they're very popular.



Well, not necessarily. WoW launched with the absolutely most dismal customization I've ever seen, and they've only marginally improved it with allowing people to change hair and transmogrify gear in more recent times. 25 man raids back before Cataclysm was like an army of clones. Yes, you can be some really different looking races now, but good luck distinguishing yourself from everyone else that plays that same race.
I guess I should have been more specific when I said customization. I was talking about species diversity. In WoW at launch, you could play any of the traditional high fantasy races, plus cows and undead. Then they added draenei, wargen, and now pandas. That's the kind of diversity I'm talking about. They didn't just offer recolored humanoids.

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chuixupu
01.17.2013 , 02:40 PM | #88
Quote: Originally Posted by Lium View Post
I guess I should have been more specific when I said customization. I was talking about species diversity. In WoW at launch, you could play any of the traditional high fantasy races, plus cows and undead. Then they added draenei, wargen, and now pandas. That's the kind of diversity I'm talking about. They didn't just offer recolored humanoids.
This is true, but it's also true that the majority of players tend to not want to play the "wierder" races. The most played races are humans, blood elves, and night elves. I read an article recently where the GW2 developers were complaining about how everyone is rolling human warriors when they thought they put their best work into the non-human races. Regardless, I think that SWTOR's cinematics are its strength and it should play to its strength. Some may feel that variety of playable races is more important than cinematics, but I think at that point you're wishing for SWTOR to have been made a completely different kind of MMO. I happen to have mostly stopped playing WoW because I like what SWTOR offers better.

Maybe at some point they'll make more interesting species playable, but I totally agree that they will need to speak basic. This fortunately does leave a lot of options open, still.
Wardens of Fate / Alea Iacta Est
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Altheran
01.17.2013 , 02:59 PM | #89
Quote: Originally Posted by Fornix View Post
Personally, I disagree. Although it completely depends on how it's done.

For example, myself I do not speak Japanese. Can I watch anime? Yes, most definitely. Heck, I even prefer it watching subbed over dubbed. Not understanding the language, doesn't make me want to punch in the screen.

Nor do I truly speak French. Sure, I can order a beer, buy some bread, etc. whilst in France. But a conversation? No, that's too far. However, I most definitely do not mind watching movies in French with subtitles. It by far makes me want to punch in the screen.

And the same goes for some languages in SWTOR. For example Jawa's making their sounds, are all fine to me. I most definitely wouldn't object to playing as one of them.

But there's also some alien language spoken by some which sounds like some sort of mutant fly is doing the talking. I most definitely wouldn't want to listen to that every quest no.
Hearing Japanese in an anime, and hearing Huttese in TOR are 2 thing totally different.

Japanese is a proper language with a vocabulary, syntaxe and grammar. You won't hear the same sentence all over the time during the anime unless it is a very basic one. You can even start to understand with time.

Huttese is an imaginary language, with no constuction at all, that forced devs to only record 10-20 sentences which bear no particular meaning, and which are chosen depending on its length and or the pauses it contains. In some cases, when you speak to a a NPC, you can hear the same sentence twice, bearing totally different meanings. Granted, the devs has made that it's not current, but it occurs. But now imagine that it's your character who speak an alien language... once you've reached level 5 or 6 you'll probabily have heard all the possible speeches and then you'll hear the same ones again and again all through the game. That's why you would like to put your fist in your monitor like Damion said.

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psandak
01.17.2013 , 03:44 PM | #90
Quote: Originally Posted by Babyduck View Post
Have a look at the long running poll on new races. Wookiees and Droids have a lot of votes, last time I checked Wookiees had the most votes.

Cel Cawdro's Ultimate "Community Desire for Species" Poll is the thread name. BioWare doesn't like for us to link to other topics so I won't provide a link. I can update that wookiee is no longer the top vote getter in that poll but it is still very popular with the third most votes.
And the phrase, "the customer is always right," is idiotic. The customer may think he/she knows what he wants when in reality, he/she has no clue what the real consequences of that choice are.

Take wookies as a playable race, when players voted for that did they FULLY appreciate that the character would not speak basic (English)? Probably not. They just think it would be "cool" to be able to play Chewbacca.

Quote: Originally Posted by Fornix View Post
Personally, I disagree. Although it completely depends on how it's done.

For example, myself I do not speak Japanese. Can I watch anime? Yes, most definitely. Heck, I even prefer it watching subbed over dubbed. Not understanding the language, doesn't make me want to punch in the screen.

Nor do I truly speak French. Sure, I can order a beer, buy some bread, etc. whilst in France. But a conversation? No, that's too far. However, I most definitely do not mind watching movies in French with subtitles. It by far makes me want to punch in the screen.

And the same goes for some languages in SWTOR. For example Jawa's making their sounds, are all fine to me. I most definitely wouldn't object to playing as one of them.

But there's also some alien language spoken by some which sounds like some sort of mutant fly is doing the talking. I most definitely wouldn't want to listen to that every quest no.
I had a long drawn out statement, but it boils down to this...you are exception not the rule.

Quote: Originally Posted by ganondorq View Post
if people hate alien speak..... there's a REALLY simple solution to your problems. don't play that species!! omg i know, it's so cutting edge! but trust me, it works! and when you're spacebarring through your flashpoints, you still won't have to hear it! omg, right?
But if 98% of the population (an exaggeration but probably not by much) will not play the species then why make it in the first place? Why cater to a miniscule minority when there are plenty of species that 98% will play?


Quote: Originally Posted by Lium View Post
One thing I don't really understand is why a race like the togruta (Ashara Zavros's species) wasn't included. I remember reading your reasoning a while back for why we only had human-like species and it made sense from a cinematic perspective. It wouldn't be plausible or realistic to have a jelly fish talking to someone without them saying, "What the hell are you supposed to be, anyway?" [Insert Hanar joke here.]

But togruta is no more alien looking than twi'leks. Neither are Voss. And they are certainly less alien than cathar. This is one of the few aspects of SWTOR that is a real turn-off to me and quite puzzling. I don't understand why there wasn't more variety for playable species in a Star Wars game, a universe known for its alien creatures.

The whole notion about the main characters in the movies all being human misses the point. This is an MMO. Not a movie. And in an MMO, any time you sacrifice customization for cinamatics, you lose the spirit of the genre entirely.

Which can translate into people leaving.
Because then they would have less to add and entice players with later. Every MMO does this: they come out with a core set of species, and then every so often they announce "we are adding species X." And guess what? player population goes up. Whodathunkit? It's a marketing scheme nothing more nothing less.