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Trollokdamus
01.16.2013 , 01:17 PM | #1
So i've just completed a Tython quest "Commune With the Light". It's about helping a random Padawan to complete his trial by moving a huge boulder with the Force. At some point his master appears and tells you that it's not possible for a mere Padawan, only the master may have enough clarity to commune with the Force in such a way.
Right, ok, it's understandable. Except when you start a new consular, in his very first cutscene you see 3 Padawans moving huge rocks with ease.
So i'd like to know where the truth is... Was the master wrong, or were those Padawans an oversight and were not supposed to do what they were doing?

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chuixupu
01.16.2013 , 02:01 PM | #2
It wasn't about moving the rock. The padawan's master gave him a task that he knew he specifically wasn't able to do entirely for the purpose of teaching him patience. Obviously your character does it easily, but this was a test for just that student, knowing his personal weaknesses.
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Wolfninjajedi
01.16.2013 , 03:10 PM | #3
Quote: Originally Posted by chuixupu View Post
It wasn't about moving the rock. The padawan's master gave him a task that he knew he specifically wasn't able to do entirely for the purpose of teaching him patience. Obviously your character does it easily, but this was a test for just that student, knowing his personal weaknesses.
^ This.
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Trollokdamus
01.16.2013 , 05:13 PM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by chuixupu View Post
It wasn't about moving the rock. The padawan's master gave him a task that he knew he specifically wasn't able to do entirely for the purpose of teaching him patience. Obviously your character does it easily, but this was a test for just that student, knowing his personal weaknesses.
Yeah, i realize what that lesson was about. But i'm not talking about it. What i'm talking about is the master's quote: "Communing with the Force in such a way (so it lets you move boulders) is something only a Master typically has the clarity to achieve."
Also, it isn't obvious that the character does it easily. According to the master, what he did was "quite an accomplishment and highly unexpected".

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chuixupu
01.16.2013 , 05:38 PM | #5
Well, let's consider our options.

1) mutliple padawans working together
2) They were exceptional padawans
3) The rocks were made out of foam - it was all part of the master's plan to make his padawan think he could do it
4) The person who put in that scene wasn't the same person who wrote the Consular story and they didn't double-check for accuracy

I'm going with #3
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Caelith
01.16.2013 , 05:48 PM | #6
The guy in the quest is not yet a padawan if i remember correctly and he was given a test to see if he had the right attitude to become one.

Well that is how i understood the quest.
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FINNT
01.16.2013 , 07:07 PM | #7
Of course there is also the fact that in my opinion the drawn rock is way too small to be a boulder. Although size matters not, it seems students always start from small objects like pebbles.

Also like said before the test was propably tailored. Maybe the student had almost none ability in telekinesis and this was like master said, not about actually using the force, but about testing character.
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SithKoriandr
01.16.2013 , 07:13 PM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by chuixupu View Post
Well, let's consider our options.

1) mutliple padawans working together
2) They were exceptional padawans
3) The rocks were made out of foam - it was all part of the master's plan to make his padawan think he could do it
4) The person who put in that scene wasn't the same person who wrote the Consular story and they didn't double-check for accuracy

I'm going with #3
4 sounds most likely.

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JLazarillo
01.16.2013 , 07:14 PM | #9
It's possible the stone itself simply had special properties. After all, the sequence is "meditate at the altar, then move the stone". Granted, it's not specifically mentioned in the dialogue that only a master can move that particular stone. Then again, it's possible the altar could have some sort of adverse effect? The idea perhaps, that the meditation there actually clouds the mind, with only the most serene, or the most potent wills, able to resist its effects?

The latter seems particularly likely if it's set up as a test that someone would fail no matter what.

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chuixupu
01.16.2013 , 07:36 PM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by SithKoriandr View Post
4 sounds most likely.
In reality, yes, but I really, really want it to be #3.
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