Summary: PvE stuff inside of PvP areas

God, you're all talking past each other.

Point A: PVP people want open, true PVP with rewards for engaging in such, in an environment that allows them to enjoy free-for-all combat.

Point B: PvE people are unhappy because a PvE objective is STUPIDLY placed by Bioware in an area of the game that auto-flags you for PVP.

Subpoint A: being autoflagged for PvP is NOT open world PvP. It is being autoflagged. Period.

Subpoint B: there are skill-less, worthless scrubs who like to gank PvE'rs forced into the auto-flagged PvP areas trying to get to the PvE objective.

Insane Troll Point A: Someone says 'lol it's fun trying to get past them u shuld try it' , completely ignoring the point that the objective shouldn't even be placed in an autoflag area AND that some people don't like PvP at all.


Making a 'new event' in an area that autoflags you for PVP is never, ever , ever a good idea. There is not a single, solitary positive aspect to it, and the designers who do it need to be fired, immediately.

You are ignoring the desires of your PVP customers who want the PVP open world experience to reward them for PVP.

You are irritating people who want to participate in a PvE event and do not wish to PVP and who are harassed by the minority of griefers who like bothering said PvE people.

You are enabling a constant friction between PvE and PvP above and beyond what you've already done, where every single solitary change to skills has been solely based on PvP issues without any regard to what that does to PvE viability. (Try getting a DoT DPS into an OP. Go ahead, I'll wait.)

If Bioware is incompetant enough to keep designing these moronic aspects , people need to directly address the issue.

Not a single solitary reason for WHY you have to go to the Outlaws Den has been put forth in the HK quest. Why make people get flagged for PVP in the first place? It's not fun for some people. You get someone who's just doing his story stuff and he gets flagged, he's in greens, he's gonna get destroyed, over and over again.

They made this mistake with HK part scanner on a vendor in the Outlaws Den, I wouldn't put it past them to do it again. BUT, of course it's only an assumption and I hope to god I'm wrong.

After getting chain ganked for nearly 6 hours trying to get a part that first day , I really remembered why I always have hated PVP in MMOs

Choosing a PVE server shouldn't mean I'm forced into PVP situations while doing PVE related things. Honestly, the people that wanted world PVP are likely on PVP servers. They'll automatically get what they want in this new area simply because it's contested. If people on a PVE server want to get some world PVP in, then they should have rolled on those servers.

Unless I'm missing something no where in the post does it say this section of Ilum will remain autoflag for PvP. As usual people are freaking out before even half the details are out.

I agree with this. If you choose to play on a PvE server you should NEVER be forcibly flagged for PvP. It should always be a choice. You wouldn't have come there if you wanted open world PvP.

PvP servers I'm OK with a forced flag in certain areas.