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What historical person would have made a glorious Jedi? Which a glorious Sith?

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What historical person would have made a glorious Jedi? Which a glorious Sith?

Aoussar's Avatar

01.15.2013 , 08:23 AM | #41
Quote: Originally Posted by yoomazir View Post
It's not about hate, I respect the dude, it's just that him, and many other supposed heroes (no matter their affiliation) are no Jedi material.
Yeah, that's true Someone mentioned they were more like Mandalore the Ultimate, and they were right in that imo!

_biddan_'s Avatar

01.15.2013 , 09:27 AM | #42
caius julius caesar (he was so damn epic,he is my hero) would be THE dark lord,he conquered the Gallia (he even starved to death a whole village) and managed to gain Rome even against great odds,his power hunger and stregth would make him a great sith but he would still work for the best for his people.
look at how sithy he looks:
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yoomazir's Avatar

01.15.2013 , 09:34 AM | #43
Quote: Originally Posted by Aoussar View Post
Yeah, that's true Someone mentioned they were more like Mandalore the Ultimate, and they were right in that imo!
Mandalore Saladin, now that one would have won the Mandalorian War.

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01.15.2013 , 11:58 AM | #44
If you look over the fact that they were founded by crusaders, the Knight Templars and other monastic military orders were the Jedi material you are looking for. They swore vows of poverty, chastity, piety, and obedience. So we've got poeple:

-who form an order
-who try to protect others (the Templars were founded to protect pilgrims)
-who fight in wars
-who put a strong emphasis on spirituality and live a monastic life
-have high ideals

= knight-monks like the Jedi

The same is true for the Shaolin monks and other warrior monks.
"I was one of many. We were servants of the dark side… Sith Lords, we called ourselves. So proud. In the end we were not so proud. We hid… hid from those we had betrayed. We fell… and I knew it would be so."
-Ajunta Pall

Kaedusz's Avatar

01.15.2013 , 01:58 PM | #45
The Shaolin Monastery is more like the Jedi Order than the Knight Templars.As far as teachings - both spiritual and physical goes.And using them in practice.At that last part the Knight Templars failed badly.

-pacifist warrior monks
-while fighting and training they are in a meditative state
-use ''the light side of the force''(chi) to achieve super human feats like breaking rocks,walls,ect with hands
-the process of training is a meditation in itself,used to achieve goals as they are described in buddhism
(remember Freedon Nadd's master- how she was training lightsaber combat)
-their world view and philosophy

Simbr's Avatar

01.17.2013 , 12:27 PM | #46
Quote: Originally Posted by Aoussar View Post
Can't see how being a crusader is Jedi-like. It's more towards the Sith ends. They invaded and killed thousands. Yeah, the Sarracens weren't any better (for some parts), but at least Saladin didn't kill others because they believed in something else which his counterpart did. The crusaders are arguably like modern day Al-Qaeda to the western world.
same sense as the others.
Your referring to myths not facts, Saladin's armies slaughtered thousands and it was holy war. The Crusades started in response to an Islamic war of conquest that spanned 5000 miles as far as Spain (started 1 year after muhammed's death well before Saladins time). Saladin then rose in response to them and when he retook Jerusalem the only reason Saladin spared the citizens was because they were of greater value to him alive, not for some moral reason, read his own journal to see this. He was disgruntled when talked out of slaughtering them, but history favours the winners and he was happy to let people believe he took the moral high ground. Richard then rose for the third crusade, got to the gates of Jerusalem and decided enough was enough and his armies withdrew. He and Saladin then agreeing on peace.

Both were great military commanders, genius', they were obsessed with each other and both would have made the greatest of Sith Lords. Both would have made great Jedi as well though, if you read much more of their
(and others) journals, and taking into account the age in which they lived.

EDIT: Also The Knights Templar were an order created to defend pilgrims travelling to the holy land, they are one of the major influences for the Jedi ideal.

Simbr's Avatar

01.17.2013 , 12:40 PM | #47
Quote: Originally Posted by -Star-Scream- View Post
The Great British Empire was the modern era version of the Sith Empire in my opinion! They had it all: shrewd diplomats and manipulators, tactical and somewhat ruthless generals, a massive fleet and obviously an imperialistic nature. Not trying to glorify it or anything!
Very true, but even better the Britsh Empire won the Battle of Endor (Trafalgar) a pivotal battle which decided who would dominate the world for centuries after!

CaptMurphy's Avatar

01.17.2013 , 12:50 PM | #48
Sun Tzu - Jedi Knigt (Battle Meditation)
Mother Teresa - Consular Healer

Surinen's Avatar

01.17.2013 , 12:58 PM | #49
Jedi - no one, no true historical leader ever was even close to be a jedi

Sith - every person mentioned before and those leaders/non leader known historical people unmetioned
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01.17.2013 , 01:04 PM | #50
Mark Hamill would totally make a glorious Jedi.