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What historical person would have made a glorious Jedi? Which a glorious Sith?

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What historical person would have made a glorious Jedi? Which a glorious Sith?

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Aoussar
01.12.2013 , 12:15 PM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by Maaruin View Post
The crusades were a little more complicated. (The truth resists simplicity.) I guess we can't discuss it in detail. But Saladin and Richard didn't start it, they joined an already ongoing war. So it is possible that both were Jedi-like persons who happened to be born on different sides. (But both commited cruelties too.)
Yeah, that's true. In that sense, I could see Richard as a jedi as well. I was more referring to the crusader's in general. I can't remember which crusade or who wrote it, but there was a christian chronicler in one of them, and he wrote that when they took Jerusalem, they slaughtered everyone and had "Blood to their knees" etc. We spoke about it in school not long ago

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Maaruin
01.12.2013 , 12:49 PM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by Aoussar View Post
Yeah, that's true. In that sense, I could see Richard as a jedi as well. I was more referring to the crusader's in general. I can't remember which crusade or who wrote it, but there was a christian chronicler in one of them, and he wrote that when they took Jerusalem, they slaughtered everyone and had "Blood to their knees" etc. We spoke about it in school not long ago
That was the first crusade. As far as I know, the blood didn't stand to their knees literally, but they sure did kill lots of people, including lots of civilians.
The reasons seem to be more complicated, though. If I remember correctly, it started out with the Byzantine Emperor calling for help against the Turks. And then the Pope was all like: "Hey, if we are already heading there, lets take back Jerusalem." The rest is common knowledge.

But even the first crusaders may still be more like Jedi than like Sith. The Sith have rarely been Well-Intentioned Extremists. The Jedi on the other hand have been there at least once, during the First Great Schism.
But, this thread asks for glorious Jedi, and even if the crusaders in the first crusade might have been Jedi-like, they sure weren't glorious Jedi.
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Kaedusz
01.13.2013 , 04:43 AM | #13
Its pretty obvious,no debate.

Jesus Christ-a jedi master that used the light side of the force to heal the sick.He was seer speced.When he was dieing on the cross he resisted the temptation to use his force powers to kill those that tried to harm him and bring himself closer to the dark side ,instead he became one with the force.

Stalin- a sith that manipulated everyone around him,turned his enemies againts each other,ordered the killing of his rivals , to get more power.When he got to power in the sith order(communist party) he proceeded to dominate the life and death of millions of people and his subordinates.His empire was evil,but it was strong.He didn't use the force visibly,he didn't need to.The dark side of the force though made him insane and paranoid later in his life like so many dark lords before him.

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AlexDougherty
01.13.2013 , 05:35 AM | #14
Hard one this, almost every person in history was an aggressor to someone.

Jedi: Jesus, as a healer and teacher. Ghandhi, as a pacifist and nonviolent leader. Thomas Aquinas, as a healer of animals.

Sith: Julius Ceasar, a violent conqueror. Lucretia Borgia, a poisoner and manipulator. English teachers, for making people read shakespeare, which is below modern standards and linguistically outdated, shear torture.

Please note that almost anyone connected with a war would be veiwable as a sith, as there are at least two sides to any conflict, and war is by nature BRUTAL.
Peace can be found, above all passions. Through passion, I may gain strength.
Through strength, I may gain power. Through power, I may gain victory.
But for every enemy fallen, a new foe rises.
For every chain broken, new chains bind me. Only the Force can set me free.

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Canino
01.13.2013 , 07:28 AM | #15
Jedi
Mahatma Gandhi-He did not fight, but stood up for freedom. He didn't stop until he was assassinated, which ended poorly for the assassin. He was beaten with sticks from the crowd and arrested. The entire world mourned Gandhi's death-India alone grieved for 13 days, and in that time, no public events were held.

The Dalai Lama-These individuals, have done much for the Tibetans, and for the world. They are peaceful people, and also fight for freedom and rights. Two main dalai lamas spring to mind-Thubten Gyatso, and Tenzin Gyatso. The latter is the dalai lama today. Thubten fought for Tibetan freedom from the British. He restored order to the monasteries, and made sure the monks didn't have to much power. Tenzin had a Tibetan uprising, was forced him to flee Tibet and into India, where he now travels the world, and preaches Buddhism along with other things, and human rights.

Sith
Hitler and any other Axis member

Pol Pot-The leader of Khmer Rouge in Cambodia. He murdered about 1/3 the population, and used child soldiers to do so. He attempted to destroy all the books and knowledge in Cambodia, and through his power became Prime Minster. He used slaves, and and put the dead in mass graves, after executing them. In order to save ammo, they were killed with hammers, bamboo, spades, etc.

Maximilien Robespierre-The man who had the King of France executed without trial during the French Revolution. He was in charge of the 10 month long "reign of terror"-in which he killed thousands after the revolution had ended. He was finally beheaded by the same people he killed in 1794, without trial.
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That's my list, but I may add more Sith-there are too many evil people in our world.
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MasterMe
01.13.2013 , 07:37 AM | #16
Wow. This is an interesting thread. I can't think up a whole lot of ideas that weren't thought up by other guys.

JEDI: Saladin. Great guy (compared to many of the Crusaders he fought of that time at least), great leader, great tactician

JEDI: Charles Martel (DARNIT - somebody beat me to this one!) excellent leader who unified France and beat an overwhelming Moorish force to save Christianity

JEDI: William Wallace? He was a savage no doubt, but perhaps he could have used Mace Windu's Vapaad form to counter the passion and lust for battle inside him? Anyhow he was perhaps a little too passionate to be a Jedi, but he did what it took for freedom.

JEDI: Gandhi - duh

Yeah... a lot of these (most of them) had already been taken. But the point is is that I agree with them so I essentially reposted some of these historical people.

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TheSelkie
01.13.2013 , 08:30 AM | #17
Churchill as a Jedi. Led Britain against Germany in WW2. Famous for his oratory and charisma, quite the Jedi general.

Hard to call it for Sith, the world wars are the only thing I can think of where it's universally accepted that one side was in the wrong, so Hitler would be the obvious choice. But then unlike Sith, Hitler's motivation wasn't power.

Rommel would have made a good Jedi. Disobeyed Hitler when he felt his orders were immoral e.g executing captured Jews and commandos. One of the finest military commanders of the past few hundred years and an all round gentleman. Eventually committed suicide to ensure his family's safety when it was discovered that he was part of the plot to kill Hitler.

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Kaedusz
01.13.2013 , 10:02 AM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by TheSelkie View Post
Churchill as a Jedi. Led Britain against Germany in WW2. Famous for his oratory and charisma, quite the Jedi general.
i am guesing u are either english or a history cripple.Churchil was nothing like a jedi.

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Swaption
01.13.2013 , 05:27 PM | #19
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Napoleon Bonaparte would have made an excellent Sith Lord.

As for a Jedi, maybe Mahatma Gandhi could have been wizened old pacifist jedi.
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yoomazir
01.13.2013 , 05:33 PM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by Aoussar View Post
Saladin - Glorious Jedi. Far ahead of his time, was a superb commander and went beyond the brutalities of the time and valued human life greatly regardless of religion.
You are mistaken, now as a Sith, he would be awesome.