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macumba
01.10.2013 , 05:28 AM | #81
actually I must say I think that's okay with the revan armor, or any cosmetic item on the cartel market. the money must come from somewhere right ?
what I do not agree with is taking things out of the game and into the cartel market. they made the gunslinger sounds suck totally (charged burst) leaving the only cool sounding weapon in the cartel market. this is as if they made all regular armor pink with the only black armor on the cartel market.
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SithVeritas
01.10.2013 , 06:46 AM | #82
Quote: Originally Posted by CosmicKat View Post
If Applebee's ran their price structure like TOR, a burger and fries would cost you $15 but ketchup for your fries would cost you $20.

Edit P.S.: I have no problems with paying $15 for an MMO, it's good value no matter how you look at it. I think charging more than $15 for reskins of things that my subscription paid for is assinine.
100% agreed. The current stuff in the CM should be included in the sub. I'll pay for ''real'' fluff.

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Fornix
01.10.2013 , 06:50 AM | #83
Quote: Originally Posted by Durasturan View Post
The EWH gear is simple a recoloring of the WH gear... if anything the EWH further proves the dearth of new gear added since F2P...
Gear recolors are nothing new to BioWare, they have done so prior to the announcement of the CM as well. And furthermore, some CM items are simply recolors of ingame items. If anything it only shows that BioWare uses lack of inspiration and lack of ingame dyes as a way to easily introduce new gear.
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Goretzu
01.10.2013 , 06:58 AM | #84
Quote: Originally Posted by Fornix View Post
Gear recolors are nothing new to BioWare, they have done so prior to the announcement of the CM as well. And furthermore, some CM items are simply recolors of ingame items. If anything it only shows that BioWare uses lack of inspiration and lack of ingame dyes as a way to easily introduce new gear.
Recolours aren't new gear though they are recolours.

If like most MMORPGs SWTOR had a dye system this would be even more apparent.
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Blackardin
01.10.2013 , 07:12 AM | #85
Quote: Originally Posted by Fornix View Post
The Elite War Hero Gear was introduced after the introduction of the Cartel Market. And I have no doubt that with the introduction of new flashpoints/ops we'll see new gear thrown in as well. Beyond that, also with the introduction of Makeb, we'll surely be seeing new gear for the 51-55 range added.

MMO's rarely throw in new gear outside of a market into existing content, but only add gear with newly developed content.
Who said we are going to see new Ops and flashpoints?

This is how it is folks. Everything worth doing in game will be through the cash shop. There is no additional money to be earned by allowing subs to have it.....and that's what its all about at this point in time, separating you from your money.
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Ooloi
01.10.2013 , 07:28 AM | #86
i told people in multiple posts before f2p2p2p2w launched that it would be like this. a lot of people didn't want to listen.

you will never again see the "cool stuff" in game. there will be countless reiterations of good stuff on the cash shop, but there will not be in-game methods of acquiring it yourself via dent of your own efforts. buy it from the cash shop or buyfrom someone who bought it from the cash shop; ea gets its cash either way.

gone are the days when you *play the game* in order to get the rewards of the game.

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01.10.2013 , 08:38 AM | #87
1st to OP I agree with you. It's all part of that special something this game is missing. There is no sense of achievement, all we have is a gear grind any now they are taking anything worthy of encouraging players to seek rewards through gameplay and putting it all up for instant purchase. Why would anyone play the game when they don't have to?

Dumbing the game down is not only difficulty levels, its also not making players go out and earn the good stuff.

Here's where I may get in trouble around here but it's a very large part of my opinion why the game tanked. I wouldn't have a single piece of orange/purple gear obtainable as a whole through gameplay or the cartel market. It would all be schematics, every single peace, even the cartel market items, even for F2P people, all schematics from armor to speeders to space parts. We would have a much much happier large community of crafters. Those crafters can put crafted pieces on the GTN all they want but if a player by whatever means gets a schematic they want then they should have to either become a crafter or seek one out. If EA must put items in the cartel market then those items should be schematics period.

There should be server specific trade forums where players seek out crafters or advertise their wares. That my friends is called a player run economy and a no fail in giving everyone a sense of community and community is something I personally have yet to find in this game and have been told by a many of people as being a large part of their decision to unsubscribe.
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SentinelDranoel
01.10.2013 , 08:41 AM | #88
No, No, No, No. The gear must remain separate, there is no reason to buy items from the CM if people could get it in game. That is like heavy armor Sith Warriors buying the Sith Armor set, no one is going to do that. At the same time, more people will purchase the gear as opposed to having to rely on a operation and a flashpoint. For a example, the harder the gear is to get, the less people you see in it. Rakata and Dreadmaster are good examples, you have to win a roll between all the other members in a ops group. If you obtain this gear because your guild helps you do it then good for you, what about everyone else in the game? In the CM, every player has access to the gear and at a price. Even worse than that is trying to get full columi for a cunning toon without having to buy each piece with comms. I think people just want to look special in gear no one else have for doing the hardest content. Like people care in this MMO, people spend more time in the story and not looking at other players gear. If it is easy and capable of being done mostly solo, I bet everyone would have it like HK. It is just instant, get the armor now and keep playing.

As of now BW has no alternative way to get gear. OPS and Flashpoints already have gear sets, it maakes no sense to create one operation and flashpoints that drops only one set of gear which is why I understand why they have tiers. They need EVENTS that happen multiple times a month that has gear sets. Mini games that allow them to get another gear set. At the same time lets be realistic, judging from the first year, do they really think they will do this? It seems like only a minority support this "gear from content, not from market" idea.
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Goretzu
01.10.2013 , 08:46 AM | #89
Quote: Originally Posted by SentinelDranoel View Post
No, No, No, No. The gear must remain separate, there is no reason to buy items from the CM if people could get it in game. That is like heavy armor Sith Warriors buying the Sith Armor set, no one is going to do that. At the same time, more people will purchase the gear as opposed to having to rely on a operation and a flashpoint. For a example, the harder the gear is to get, the less people you see in it. Rakata and Dreadmaster are good examples, you have to win a roll between all the other members in a ops group. If you obtain this gear because your guild helps you do it then good for you, what about everyone else in the game? In the CM, every player has access to the gear and at a price. Even worse than that is trying to get full columi for a cunning toon without having to buy each piece with comms. I think people just want to look special in gear no one else have for doing the hardest content. Like people care in this MMO, people spend more time in the story and not looking at other players gear. If it is easy and capable of being done mostly solo, I bet everyone would have it like HK. It is just instant, get the armor now and keep playing.

As of now BW has no alternative way to get gear. OPS and Flashpoints already have gear sets, it maakes no sense to create one operation and flashpoints that drops only one set of gear which is why I understand why they have tiers. They need EVENTS that happen multiple times a month that has gear sets. Mini games that allow them to get another gear set. At the same time lets be realistic, judging from the first year, do they really think they will do this? It seems like only a minority support this "gear from content, not from market" idea.




Take Jedi Valient gear though, now ignore that it probably should have been in the game from Day 1, and consider that IF it was put in as a high level raid piece and an adaptive armour Cashshop piece at the same time there would be no real problem as you could get it both ways.

Yes Bioware EA may make maringally less, but given that people running that sort of PvE content would be SUBSCRIBERS anyway basically so they should.

As things stand subscribers are certainly being nickle and dimed for the subscription and then having to use the Cashshop as the ONLY way to get stuff too.
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01.10.2013 , 09:11 AM | #90
Armor is too expensive. I save my coins for silly things.
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