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Bring back Mara?


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jaguarclaw
01.08.2013 , 01:17 AM | #11
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As a long time fan of the EU i love Mara Jade but i would hate to see them bring her back. Luke saw her when he was doing the whole out of body thing. Can't remember what they called that. Cade Skywalker saw her force ghost in the legacy comics but thats a good way into the future. She could make more appearance as a force ghost but bringing her back wouldnt make sense. And if she was cloned she'd just end up going crazy cause thats what happens to clones of force users.

I would love to see more books about her as a Jedi I believe theres a 5 year gap between the NJO books and the Dark Nest trilogy.
Ever since the first few EU books they ever did, where Obi-Wan basically said "We're not going to show up any more to help you because it's getting harder and harder for us to do so, and you'll be fine anyway" and then never came back, the whole Force Ghost thing has kinda been a bit of a crutch when it is used, because the implication is that for whatever reason, it's just not practical for Ben and Yoda and Anakin and any others to consistently show up anymore. The sheer amount Mara has already shown up as a ghost/force-being/whatever is already straining the plausibility of the whole idea. it could easily be seen as the other authors stretching the rules in a desperate attempt to cover for Mara's death, that wasn't really planned on or welcomed in the plot.

And yeah, Cade also saw Luke, implying that Luke dies at some point. Which of course will never, ever be actually written in in any way if Lucasfilm knows what's good for them, because no one would be cool with it, either in the basic concept or execution. Frankly, Mara could be revived and have the Luke-style implied death in the intervening, what, 150 years? It's a long damn time (besides, I don't really see Legacy as canon. maybe it's just me, but still).

If she's going to be a constant force-ghost fixture, just bring her back and cut out the middleman.

And yes, no clones. But why use clones when you have Plot Spackle, excuse me, the Force?

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jaguarclaw
01.09.2013 , 02:17 AM | #12
Hell, maybe I'll just write Zahn a letter (old-school style) and ask him about it myself.

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sstanks
01.09.2013 , 04:27 AM | #13
well seeing as the entire post ROTJ EU is going to be reset when Episode 7 comes out..

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TheBentOne
01.09.2013 , 02:06 PM | #14
I wish Pelly was still alive. But hes not, and neither is Mara. One of course could form a significantly better argument for bringing her back than the late admiral, but I think death has been cheapened far too much in star wars as it is. I love both Gil and Mara and I wish they hadn't been offed, but I think it's for the best that she stays dead.
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jaguarclaw
01.09.2013 , 05:22 PM | #15
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well seeing as the entire post ROTJ EU is going to be reset when Episode 7 comes out..
Yeah, naw. If you think they're wiping the slate entirely clean, it's not happening.
Lucas has said his stance on the EU has basically been that is it a divergent universe - that there are two SW timelines, one including just his movies/shows, and another consisting of the movies, shows, and everything else in the EU.
In his mind, he or Disney isn't overwriting/resetting anything, as the second universe has never really been something he cared about or involved himself in. There's more than enough space for both to exist, and the SW books set in the EU universe still sell well. Plus, poor Leland Chee would be basically out of a job if all that got tossed out the window.
I hate to keep comparing, but there's essentially going to be 2 markedly different Star Wars universes now (I would think), not unlike the Marvel Universe/Ultimate Universe split.

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Kane_Ren
01.09.2013 , 05:29 PM | #16
I'd like to see Mara brought back, maybe Callista style. Bring her back too and have them 'rediscover their force powers'

I dunno, maybe i'm just waffling - its very late for me
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annabethchase
01.09.2013 , 07:37 PM | #17
Ok first, nobody gets to own the characters in a multi-author universe like this. If Zahn wants creative control of his characters for a lifetime, he can get that in his own intellectual properties.

Killing Mara was one of the pivotal moments in the series. I thought Jacen would realize how much he was getting played when it reached that point, but he didn't. And then things exploded from there.

Now I may even agree that I didn't necessarily like the LOTF series, but that doesn't change the fact that her death was the pivotal moment in the series. It had to be done to tell the story in the way it was going to be told.
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strykerxd
01.09.2013 , 07:38 PM | #18
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(Apologies if this has been discussed to death before; I don't check these forums that often. Also, spoilers for old books.)
So I know Star Wars doesn't really do the whole "bringing dead characters back to life" thing like the Marvelverse does (or Trek did) after the Palpatine-cloning thing blew up in everyone's faces, but I genuinely do think it would be justified in the case of Mara Jade. Seriously, of all the characters to kill, that one makes very, very little sense. Chewie I could understand, in that he had long since ceased to be all that significant. Anakin Solo made sense as well, to up the odds and bring the emotional pain along with the whole "losing Coruscant" thing.

But Mara was still an important character, with a lot of fan and authorial support. She was killed off by a different author than the one who created her, without that original author's input, which just screams sloppiness and worse, simple selfishness. It left her whole story on a bitter note, and that fact that Zahn is still willing to write stories featuring her shows that there is still an attachment to the character amongst Lucasfilm (or whoever manages the books specifically).

Frankly, I think Zahn and the Lucasfilm people should just take the next step and bring her back. Traviss has had to be retconned before (the Mandos and their OP-ness, for instance), so her worst mistake should be fixed as well. There's already been so much weird Force-********-whatever surrounding her and letting her temporarily return as a ghost that they may as well just take the plunge.
Anyone else feel the same way?
No dead is dead. she even turned into a force ghost. No more clone repossession crap. What's done is done. She was going to die anyway.

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jaguarclaw
01.09.2013 , 07:50 PM | #19
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Ok first, nobody gets to own the characters in a multi-author universe like this. If Zahn wants creative control of his characters for a lifetime, he can get that in his own intellectual properties.
True, but even so, it's also standard procedure to, you know, check with other people involved in the thing before unilaterally acting to kill an important and potentially character off.
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Killing Mara was one of the pivotal moments in the series. I thought Jacen would realize how much he was getting played when it reached that point, but he didn't. And then things exploded from there.
IE, got ridiculously stupid.
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Now I may even agree that I didn't necessarily like the LOTF series, but that doesn't change the fact that her death was the pivotal moment in the series. It had to be done to tell the story in the way it was going to be told.
Are you actually Karen Traviss?
Because here's the thing: according to Wookiepedia, Traviss thought up killing Mara as she was already writing Sacrifice, and purely on her own.
It wasn't a pivotal moment, or part of some existing plan. It was Traviss' whim, because she thought it would make things more interesting. The other authors in the series had to scramble to change things in their books, and I believe they had to do rewrites as well to cover Mara being dead. It manifestly did not have to be done - the pivotal point (to me, anyway) was Jacen essentially turning into Vader on Coruscant, executing innocent people left and right, to say nothing of his acceptance of the title of Caedus.
Zahn may not have total ownership, but that doesn't mean that authors should be allowed, in a multi-author series like this, to just change important **** around on what amounts to a whim.

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jaguarclaw
01.09.2013 , 07:52 PM | #20
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No dead is dead. she even turned into a force ghost.
So did Callista, technically, and she got brought back.
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No more clone repossession crap.
Of course, because it isn't necessary anyway.
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What's done is done. She was going to die anyway.
I trust you mean in Cade's series? Yeah, that's 150 years in the future. Everyone's dead by then, but if, say, Luke got killed off in some manifestly stupid way in the current series they have going, I trust people would be angry about that as well, and rightfully so. Just because it's inevitable doesn't necessarily mean anything goes.