Gear from content, not from market!

The other important part is...

If "the price of subscription" was the reason 75% of subscribers quit, why does the CM charge outrageous sums of money for fluff? Either the reasons given for the exodus of players was made up or the internal polling suggested a small percentage of people were willing to pay any amount of money for Star Wars crap, even virtual crap.

1. Lazy is different than misinformed which is what you're suggesting.

2. Revan's armor, go.

3. You said yourself that the market has reskins of various armors, these aren't available anywhere but on the market. Along with armor that have different stylistic changes on them(Jedi Knight character creation armor). There also is just armor that has never been seen anywhere in any variation in game.

Because those willing to still subscribe, are willing to fork out the money for the Fluff. They had to make a free to play option so they could do a blanket cover over everyone to impliment the CM. Because my 525 CP per month allowance is not going to cover the 8 packs I want to buy ever 2-3 weeks they keep introducing them.

I just spent 40 dollars on 5500 coins...... "I better get something good you little, know I have a gambiling problem, game"


15 dollars is less then 1 trip to the movies "for 2", 15 dollars can get you a dinner at the Applebee's, it also can get you 1 month subscription to SWTOR, Those that can afford it will pay for it.

The main issue here is that we want to interact with the game to get our gear, not with he CM. Sure the CM suits some people and thats fine but there are people who pay a sub to this game who dont want to get their gear from a cash shop because there is almost no interaction with the game that way.

Going out into the world and discovering things, exploring, doing WZ, flashpoints, operations, killing rare mobs for rare loot that only drops on a wed, whatever. these things get you out into the world. It creates positive experiences, meeting people, building friendships and creating cool memories to look back on. Getting the gear you want at the end of it brings an enormous sense of achievement and satisfaction and whenever you wear said gear you feel like you earned it and it brings back great memories of the stuff you got up to.

Putting it only in a cash shop removes all of this. You go to the fleet, buy it on the cash shop and you are done. How boring and flat is that? Just dont make CM the ONLY way for this stuff. People will have amore positive outlook on this game if the above is considered, im sure of it.

If Applebee's ran their price structure like TOR, a burger and fries would cost you $15 but ketchup for your fries would cost you $20.

Edit P.S.: I have no problems with paying $15 for an MMO, it's good value no matter how you look at it. I think charging more than $15 for reskins of things that my subscription paid for is assinine.

And now, for a dissenting (and minority) viewpoint:

I LIKE the Cartel Market. I use the Cartel Market. I buy still there that I like the use of, or look of, and if I'm having a slow days, I'll drop a few bucks on a pack or two for a little thrill.

When I hit level 50, I was excited that I could basically have whatever look I wanted for my character. I don't have to worry about wearing crappy looking armor because the stats are good. So I spent a little while exploring my options, bought the armor I wanted from the Cartel Market, bought the mods I wanted from the GTN and made the equipment I wanted.

Is that less satisfying to me than killing 530 grobblaxes for a 1% chance of a super-rare drop? No. Because that makes me want to stab myself in the eye. Different strokes for different folks. Some people enjoy the thrill of the random drop, and I don't begrudge them that. But that ain't how I play. I want to play the story, and maybe an occassional flashpoint, and then I mostly want to be left alone to have my experience the way I want it to be. And in a small way, the Cartel Market helps that.

Revan's chest look a like: http://www.torhead.com/item/8aIzUJr/...-by;sort:-name
Revans lower robe look a like: http://www.torhead.com/item/20XRa6u/...rruptors-pants
Revan's belt look a like: http://www.torhead.com/item/bsJ2bNb/...ttleminds-sash
Revan's gloves look a like: http://www.torhead.com/item/3jewBzR/...e-force-nimbus
Revan's mask look a like: http://www.torhead.com/item/fOdaRic/...t-str-head-bis or http://www.torhead.com/item/fOdaRic/...t-str-head-bis
The first link for the head piece is what is still obtainable. The Battlemaster headpiece has since been removed due to 1.6 but either the medium or the heavy variants complete the look without the exact colors. This means sorcs are screwed but maras and jugs can make it work if they deserve. Sadly I can't find a good picture of revan's boots since well they are covered by the robes.

EDIT: edited for spelling mistakes.

^ What he said.

All MMOs boil down to the same very basic thing. Game creator releases new stuff, you acquire new stuff, you keep playing, you keep paying, game creator makes money. Rinse, repeat. But the reason people keep playing, and the reason people choose one MMO over another (when they're all basically the same formula), is the method in which you acquire new stuff. If you have fun doing it, you keep playing... and paying.

The reason so much stuff being released via the Cartel Market is so off putting to a lot of people is because it's changing the way you acquire new things in a way that is not fun for those people. Doing in-game content, flashpoints, operations, warzones, quests, etc. is a way for people to acquire cool new stuff in a fun way (playing the game!) that covers up the fact that it's all just a ploy to keep you playing and paying.

Just buying stuff from the Cartel Market or GTN is too blatantly "game creator releases new stuff, you buy new stuff... rinse, repeat". It removes the fun I used to have from acquiring new content by playing the game.

The game is F2P with a Cartel Market. That's a fact. So I can live with some stuff being released via the Cartel Market. But the rate at which new stuff is being released only via the Cartel Market is not giving me an enticing reason to keep playing. I will keep playing as long as I'm having fun, but Shopping Simulator is not what I consider fun.

To be clear, I dont give a rats **** about adaptive cartel armor. I havent spent a coin on looking cool, or being "first!"

Im talking about adaptive LEGACY sets from events. You know, the type you can gear up your alts by slapping mods in them and mailing back and forth. I wear the containment set on my AIM users... do you think I care what it looks like? nope, it looks like a giant yellow piece of ****, but the point of the LEGACY adaptive gear was to make alts less painful by not having to repeat the same content ad infinitum just to gear up on each character instead of using the mods you already earned with legacy gear.

And from what I see, these sets are probably never going to be earned in game through events again. Because why give them away for playing content, when they can make you pay for them instead. So if we ever see these adaptive LEGACY gear sets (containment armor/sand people bloodguard outfit) it will be as purchased items without doubt.

Which is completely lame and devalues the whole subscription price, and legacy system as implemented.

I'm not sure I follow the "you should have to pay real money to have your gear break in-game Lore" arguement.