I'm feeling Nickel and Dimed by Makeb

Another reason why it is "Apples & Oranges" is because, as I've stated previously, it was a little over 3 Years before The Burning Crusade Expansion was released for World of Warcraft.

You somehow forgot to mention, in all your hatred, that Makeb is 10$ while Burning Crusade costed like 40-50 dollars, in Europe even more when it came out.

Quote: Originally Posted by Altyrell

MMO's I can think of that have had Expansions/Adventures Packs

SWG - June 2003 // Jump To Lightspeed - October 2004 = ~ 1 Year, 4 Months = ~16 Months
EQ - March 1999 // RoK - April 2000 = ~1 Year, 1 Month = ~13 Months
WoW - November 2004 // TBC - January 2007 = ~ 3 Years, 3 Months = ~ 39 Months
TOR - December 2011 // RotHC (AP/Expansion/Whatever) - Spring 2013 = ~ 1 Year, (3 Months - 5 Months) = ~(15 - 17 Months)
Perfect World International - ~September 2008 // The Lost Empire - December 2008 = ~3 Months
EQ 2 - November 2004 // The Bloodline Chronicles (Adventure Pack) - March 2005 // Desert of Flames (Expansion) September 2005 = ~4 Months (Adventure Pack) // ~10 Months (Expansion)

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Basically for the ones I listed, the shortest was ~3 Months (PWI) while the longest was a little over ~3 Years (WoW), so in other words, there really isn't an "Industry Standard" so whether you call it an Adventure Pack or an Expansion, it would still, regardless of whatever name you want to call it, be the first MAJOR Update to the Game as opposed to Patches.

If you average them out they come to about 18 months.

Sure some are quicker some are longer, I'm not sure anyone ever said otherwise.



Adventure packs usually appear more often, although no usually over a year in-between.

That's not the point he was trying to make. Someone erroneously stated that BC was smaller than Makeb, so he corrected them.

its only $10... get a job... or a life... (well it was only $10 I guess its $20 now?)

do a /played and if you average more than 40 hours a week playing swtor then pay up or leave... if you spread that $10 across 10 weeks of game time thats 2.5 cents per hour... if you hate the game that much that its a hassle to pay then maybe you need a new game...

and who cares about what you were promised... unless this is your first MMO then we all know there are no promises...

You know as valid as your argument looks, a lot of people are still going to argue that the content is small therefore it will take only a short time to make... When until Makeb is release we will know for sure how big or small content (not the size of the planet) of the expansion really is.

Such a great, factual post.. and then you ruin it by saying this.

Everything else is a true and factual list though, I applaud the work put into it. But mapsize wise, the average TOR planet equals 2-3 BC zones. And we all know BC zones are actually bigger than most zones in WoW's later expansions.

Also, a few of the things you mentioned, like Achievements and the Badges system was not implemented until later in the Burning Crusade life cycle. So they should not count as what you paid for in the initial expansion.

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This is how I'd make your list:

BC introduced:

Ten new levels with new abilities and updated talent trees.
800+ new quests.
New items.
New profession which updated itemization.
Increased previous professions with new patterns.
15 new dungeons.
Introduction of heroic dungeons.
3 new raids, 1 10 man raid with a large amount of bosses and 2 25 man raids with 3 bosses total.
Flying mounts and Druid flight form.
Arenas and Revamped honor system
New battleground
All classes available to both factions
Draeni and Blood elves.
15 new zones total, including 6 new starting zones for the two new races, two of which are new capitol cities, and 1 new capitol city shared by both factions.
New rep factions
Redesign of their stat system.
New mounts
wPvP objectives in both Outlands and Azeroth.



All other things were actually added in later patches, so not part of the initial expansion.

Also, the pre-event, though part of the run up to the expansion, could be played by people without the expansion and is therefore not, effectively, a part of it.

It's difficult to see how they can pack that much more content into a planet the size of Belsavis than is in Belsavis.

It's not exactly sparse in Belsavis, and if they crammed much more in it would feel cramped I think.

I hear you and I share your pain. There is two important things that might make you feel better:

1 - We don't know what the coming expansion will contain. Perhaps it will be awesome.

2 - If the coming 4 "nickel and dime" expansions adds up to more than one $40 expansion and they are valued at $10 each, would you be OK with that? They give us the $40 expansion only spread over 4 different payments and download times?

Think about it.

1. We do have a decent idea, they've said.

2. The subscriber price is OK.