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DigitalDreamz
01.06.2013 , 12:05 PM | #61
Quote: Originally Posted by Imhotep View Post
Good god. Nothing in that statement says they are adding Pazaak. OP seriously go play another game...please. Every one of your threads is f'ing crying about something.

That statement says we would like to at some point....in English that translates to MAYBE.
lol to be fair the OPs native language is not English...

So maybe she / he thought they said they would promise it?

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Skoobie
01.06.2013 , 12:17 PM | #62
Quote: Originally Posted by DigitalDreamz View Post
lol to be fair the OPs native language is not English...

So maybe she / he thought they said they would promise it?
Also to be fair, the OP admitted "promise" was maybe the wrong word to use.......

...on page one of this thread.

Can't figure out why people are still piling up on this, other then people don't actually read the thread.

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supafreak
01.06.2013 , 12:25 PM | #63
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Maybe it's just me, but I do not see a promise of pazaak, or any other minigames, being implemented. I simply see a statement that the devs love the minigames, and that IF implemented, they would be implemented at a time when the devs wanted to make a big splash.
This. They didnt say they will add it either, they said they'd like to
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Cupelixx
01.06.2013 , 01:18 PM | #64
Quote: Originally Posted by DigitalDreamz View Post
What a ridiculous thing to say. I'm truly shocked at the length some of you take to defend actions such as this.

Where else can this work?

Can you in college NOT hand an assignment and say "I was working on something else Plans change!"

Can you tell your boss who's expecting your reports to NOT give him anything and say "I was working on something else! Plans change!"

The absurdity I read on these forums are unbelievable! Plans change for everybody, the good can still deliver. The rest well...looks as if they've ended up here.
The only thing ridiculous I see is...this post. You're trying to compare accountability and planning of the individual to that of an entire organization. Those aren't even remotely close to the same thing, and you're trying to use that to call other posters in the thread absurd. You sound like you have never worked on any kind of team or...anywhere really. Or even played on a sports team. Let's say you're on a softball team. You can bat and field plays flawlessly, and your team can still lose the game. If the team's goal is to win the game and the team fails to meet that goal, who's fault is it then? Maybe not yours, but you still failed, so why is that?. Not so simple now, is it? Businesses are vastly more complicated.

Accountability, responsibility and tasks of the individual don't equate to the entire organization. Your have your specific role and responsibilites, and the company has its goals and objectives. The entire company has to move towards those objectives as a whole for it to work, regardless of individual people's accountability. That's not as easy as it sounds, especially in a large company running an MMO. That's why large enterprises have people dedicated to things like logistics and project management. People get behind or make mistakes, deadlines are missed, personalities and ideas clash, there's turnover, personnel changes happen etc, and yes, priorities change. As an individual, you can perform your job flawlessly, and the company can still fail to meet objectives. You think it's so easy for a company this size to meet it's objectives? I'm not saying Bioware does a good job at this at all. In fact I think they're pretty terrible at it. But...if you think it's that easy, take your shot. Go start your own business. Then come back and say people are being absurd for pointing out something realistic.
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01.06.2013 , 01:28 PM | #65
Quote: Originally Posted by DigitalDreamz View Post
Can you tell your boss who's expecting your reports to NOT give him anything and say "I was working on something else! Plans change!".
Yes.

Maybe it's different for me. I don't have a job where I hand it reports. I'm a developer. And if my boss comes to me and says: "I thought you were going to be finished with that this week," I can say: "Other bugs came up. It couldn't happen," or "The problem is more difficult than we expected, it's gonna take another week."

And then the corollary is this: When I talk to customers, I never say "That feature will be working next week". I say "We're working on it now. We hope to have it available soon." Or: "That's a feature we want to add, we'll let you know when it is going to be released."

Because, as a developer, I have a pretty good idea about how long features take and how timelines can get derailed. So, I only give timelines and promises when I know they are going to be fulfilled. Of course, that hasn't stopped a dozen or so customers from flipping out when they learn that "We're hoping to have that soon" doesn't mean "You'll have that by Tuesday, I guarantee it".

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Monoth
01.06.2013 , 01:37 PM | #66
Quote: Originally Posted by LUCASCASADEIS View Post
okay sorry maybe it's not a promise but they said they will add it
The way he phrased it, it was more of a hypothetical answer, he made no promoise... This is why Dev's don't like to say anything because people see what they want to see in statements.....

A promise would of been, "" We Guarantee Pazaak will be in the game "" now if he said that then you would have something...

But for fun, lets say his statement was a promise, he never stated a time frame, Bioware could add it in the game 2 years from now and he would still be keeping his promise.
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Nozybidaj
01.06.2013 , 01:41 PM | #67
Quote: Originally Posted by CaptRavenous View Post
Texas EAware has made it quite clear over the last year, they promise big, then deliver small, if at all.
This.

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AsheraII
01.06.2013 , 02:06 PM | #68
All the Bioware Developers who had any roles that required them to talk publicly have followed some communication course.
Just read through all the interviews they gave when asked about unanounced features: either they said they were not allowed to answer (very regularly) or they circumvented the question, using phrases like "we very much want to yada yada yada" and the other favourite "we are currently discussing/investigating etcetera etcetera etcetera". Many fans interpret those answers as a "yes", and many supposedly experienced interviewers fall for the Jedi Mindtrick as well.
But in reality, all that happens, is an interviewer asking whether snow is in game, and the interviewed developer answering how pretty snow is and that snow is white, without ever saying whether there's any snow in game. It may be in game, but he never said it was, so if they can't deliver, then he didn't make any false promise either.

During Beta, there have been a few hints given by the Developers. Especially James Ohlen had a knack for slipping some details between the lines, and even then, he never promised them. He would say they were working on something, but would refuse to officially anounce it, since things weren't final yet. Or at times, the interviewer had no idea that James had let something slip and simply didn't follow up on it.

If it's not in an anouncement, then it wasn't promised.
When they say they're very interrested in something, it's not promissed.
Even when told they're working on something, still doesn't make it a promise.
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01.06.2013 , 02:11 PM | #69
Quote: Originally Posted by LUCASCASADEIS View Post
they said that 11 months ago, 11!!!! i think they could add pazaak soon. i don't wanna wait another year
The big problem with Pazaak is it is hard to sell on the Cashshop.
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01.06.2013 , 02:18 PM | #70
Quote: Originally Posted by Cupelixx View Post
The only thing ridiculous I see is...this post. You're trying to compare accountability and planning of the individual to that of an entire organization. Those aren't even remotely close to the same thing, and you're trying to use that to call other posters in the thread absurd. You sound like you have never worked on any kind of team or...anywhere really. Or even played on a sports team. Let's say you're on a softball team. You can bat and field plays flawlessly, and your team can still lose the game. If the team's goal is to win the game and the team fails to meet that goal, who's fault is it then? Maybe not yours, but you still failed, so why is that?. Not so simple now, is it? Businesses are vastly more complicated.

Accountability, responsibility and tasks of the individual don't equate to the entire organization. Your have your specific role and responsibilites, and the company has its goals and objectives. The entire company has to move towards those objectives as a whole for it to work, regardless of individual people's accountability. That's not as easy as it sounds, especially in a large company running an MMO. That's why large enterprises have people dedicated to things like logistics and project management. People get behind or make mistakes, deadlines are missed, personalities and ideas clash, there's turnover, personnel changes happen etc, and yes, priorities change. As an individual, you can perform your job flawlessly, and the company can still fail to meet objectives. You think it's so easy for a company this size to meet it's objectives? I'm not saying Bioware does a good job at this at all. In fact I think they're pretty terrible at it. But...if you think it's that easy, take your shot. Go start your own business. Then come back and say people are being absurd for pointing out something realistic.
Don't assume you know me personally from my posts. Stop giving yourself more intellectual credit than you deserve guy. I know you guys are all billionaire developer detectives on the Internet but really you wrote this unnecessary two paragraph post when it really just skews and apologizes. Also I'd never ever think of taking advice on how businesses or MMOs work from a random nameless Internet guy...sorry.

I know you want to get into this never ending back and forth which I don't care to do whatsoever. I want to say this then split:

Coaches who can't deliver on their promises of winning championships get fired.
Players who can't deliver on their promise of playing at what they're capable of get traded or released.
Businesses who lose revenue because some bonehead can't add functionality that he's promised get fired.
And game companies who hire developers who can't deliver on half of the promises they make fire em.

Now all this really has NOTHING to do with this thread whatsoever. You're just chasing me trying to come up with your best points to argue simply for the sake of it. But I'm sure you'll have something so clever and cutting to say back that you won't be able to hesitate.
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