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Same gender relationships clarifications?
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Nozybidaj
01.05.2013 , 10:34 PM | #5061
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I, on the other hand, am willing at this point to wait for quality. All they need to do is actually manage to tell us that that's what they're doing, for bloody once.
They aren't telling anyone what they are doing because they haven't done anything. That much at the very least was made clear to everyone even if we debate what else the statements mean.

Frankly the more willing people are to 'wait for quality" (whatever that means) the less likely you are to ever get anything. The longer this issue drags on the less likely it is going to be they ever do anything about it. At this point I don't expect we'll ever see more than a few random SG Flirts with NPC's whenever they add new content. If they do ever add a SG companion it'll likely end up a generic one size fits all companion that everyone gets.

If they never get around to adding SGRA's for the existing companions anything else they add is just scraps. We haven't pressed this issue this hard for this long for scraps. If they don't ever getting around to giving equal SGRA content to the community BW-Austin has failed in their claim "As we have said in the past, allowing same gender romance is something we are very supportive of. "

They can say it all they want, but until they actually do it, it is just words.

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Kioma
01.05.2013 , 10:38 PM | #5062
Quote: Originally Posted by Nozybidaj View Post
They aren't telling anyone what they are doing because they haven't done anything. That much at the very least was made clear to everyone even if we debate what else the statements mean.
No, that's an assumption you're making based on what EA/BW:A has visibly done. And you might be right or you might be wrong. But either way, whether it's a fair call or not, it's your opinion. It's not fact and people can quite validly disagree with it.
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Nozybidaj
01.05.2013 , 10:42 PM | #5063
Quote: Originally Posted by Kioma View Post
No, that's an assumption you're making based on what EA/BW:A has visibly done. And you might be right or you might be wrong. But either way, whether it's a fair call or not, it's your opinion. It's not fact and people can quite validly disagree with it.
Well it is indisputable that there are no SGRA's in the game and that there won't be for any definition of foreseeable future. I suppose you could claim "oh i bet they are really work hard on it" but seriously we all know they aren't. BW themselves said it was "delayed" without even an ambiguous attempt at when it might no longer be "delayed". Anyone that has spent time playing MMO's knows what that means.

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Kioma
01.05.2013 , 10:50 PM | #5064
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Well it is indisputable that there are no SGRA's in the game and that there won't be for any definition of foreseeable future.
That is, indeed, indisputable. That's fact.

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I suppose you could claim "oh i bet they are really work hard on it" but seriously we all know they aren't.
No, we don't. Some people can assume that but we simply don't know what movement they've put toward it because they haven't released that. We all know they haven't put them in-game yet, that's all.

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BW themselves said it was "delayed" without even an ambiguous attempt at when it might no longer be "delayed". Anyone that has spent time playing MMO's knows what that means.
Anyone who plays MMOs knows what it often means, and that might be true in this case or it might not be. We don't have enough data to say conclusively one way or the other. This is all speculation - and it might even be accurate speculation - but don't try to say it's solid fact because it isn't.

  • SGRAs are not in the game yet.
  • Whatever effort has or has not been put into SGRAs it has not yet resulted in their inclusion in the game.
  • Communication with EA/BW:A has been poor (to put it mildly).
  • As a general consensus most people (probably all) who want SGR content want it as romantic arcs with companions.
  • That's not coming with Makeb and there's no projection on when it's coming.

THOSE are the facts. And that's not optimism, it's just factual truth. As I've said, you might be absolutely spot on with your assumptions but that doesn't make them facts, and you might be wrong.
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stuffystuffs
01.05.2013 , 11:30 PM | #5065
Quote: Originally Posted by Nozybidaj View Post
Well it is indisputable that there are no SGRA's in the game and that there won't be for any definition of foreseeable future. I suppose you could claim "oh i bet they are really work hard on it" but seriously we all know they aren't. BW themselves said it was "delayed" without even an ambiguous attempt at when it might no longer be "delayed". Anyone that has spent time playing MMO's knows what that means.
Well, what worries me is that they still haven't clarified how these will work (New companions? Old ones? Will we have to reroll? Will some classes/genders be left out? etc.)

It's easy to assume that this is b/c they don't know either and haven't touched them. But we still have no idea atm.
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MSpectre
01.05.2013 , 11:53 PM | #5066
I can imagine the old wealthy farts running things arguing over this topic and whether or not they think it'll make them money and how it'll help/hurt their brand image.

To you old wealthy farts I say, 'I better not have to Reroll', you've been warned.

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Wittand
01.06.2013 , 12:29 AM | #5067
Oh Nozybidaj, arenīt you a little ray of sunshine in this thread, and been so since your very first post.

Since you seem so certain that SGRAs with companions are not at least in the works can you please explain why Makeb will feature some same sex flirts (of yet unknown magnitude). Because it seems to me that unless there are definite plans for providing full romance arcs, including some flirts in an high-level, non-free expansion seems like the ideal way to anger as many people as possible. Supporters will be satisfied for less then a week before the joy of the final inclusion wears of and the frustration about the inequality of the content starts. While at the same time opposer will make a ruckus about even such a minor inclusion.
The only reason why anyone would behave that way is if they intentionally want to ruin the game.

The most sensible assumption is that they are working on full inclusion (otherwise why bother putting it in Makeb in the first place) and that the only reason that they are putting flirts it in Makeb now is that they did not want to release another planet with just straight flirts, even if it will take more time to alter existing content.

Though I personally donīt expect full SGRAs to come before the expansion bringing chapter four of the character story, and that will likely not come before the end of 2013.

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Lent_San
01.06.2013 , 06:35 AM | #5068
Quote: Originally Posted by stuffystuffs View Post
Well, what worries me is that they still haven't clarified how these will work (New companions? Old ones? Will we have to reroll? Will some classes/genders be left out? etc.)
It's easy to assume that this is b/c they don't know either and haven't touched them. But we still have no idea atm.
Well, I know to some it doesn't mean much, but I do feel this part of the State of the Game is essential:

"Secondly, I want to reveal today that we are adding SGR with some NPCs on Makeb and do intend on pursuing more SGR options in the future. More details to come!"


If there was nothing more meaningful to come, why add this last bit? They'd get themselves into hot water all over again if they raise expectations yet again and in the end fail to deliver. I for one am gonna be waiting for what this "more details, more options" is, before I'm deciding on whether I'm disappointed or not. I'm even ready, by now, to reroll if SGR gets added with old companions. Rather that than not being able to play a few chars that I've been wanting to play for ages.

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Though I personally donīt expect full SGRAs to come before the expansion bringing chapter four of the character story, and that will likely not come before the end of 2013.
That sounds reasonable enough to me. New story content, especially class content and/or new companions will most likely come with new SGR options. I don't feel like they want to backtrack on that, now that the actual "implementation part" is out of the bag, minor or not.

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Lent_San
01.06.2013 , 07:10 AM | #5069
Um, people, just a thought, do we really want to entertain trolls yet again in this thread?

They're coming here, making a point how they feel SGR are a waste of time, not needed, trying to validate their opinion by adding they feel the same way about other romances as well... sigh.

This is not the topic of this thread though. It's heavily off topic, honestly. This is not a thread to discuss how people may think about SGR inclusion, but a thread on how and when it gets implemented.

There's a thread in the Suggestion forum where people can discuss their disagreement, if they really want to.

I'd rather we stay on topic here and it's been a rather nice and fruitful discussion that's been going on for the last couple of days.

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Tatile
01.06.2013 , 07:26 AM | #5070
Let's talk about NPCs on Makeb!

Now, I've not played Trooper and for obvious reasons didn't romance Watcher 2 with my Agent, so I don't know much about non-companion continued romances. There aren't any of these in the open world (unless there's one on the Pub side I've not heard about) so I was wondering what people would think if two* of the [Flirt] options were available as continued romances during your stay on Makeb.

I think it would be a nice change of pace from "I like your uniform" and the obligatory shag-in-a-cupboard you get on Nar Shadda and would, to me at least, demonstrate that Bioware has some interest in providing romances.

Also, as these qualify as "NPC [Flirt]s" and not companion romances, I wouldn't be that worried that a continued romance would be indicative of a future without companion romances. In fact, I feel it would possibly be a good demonstration of what Bioware would want to have in the future.


*Yes, two. For obvious reasons. Would be nice if they were only available to people wanting same-sex options (i.e. you've got a straight male but can't [Flirt] with this woman because she's a lesbian and has no interest in you what-so-ever, doesn't matter if you're on the Dark Council.)