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Kaggath Heats: Tyber Zann vs G0-T0

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Kaggath Heats: Tyber Zann vs G0-T0

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Wolfninjajedi
01.03.2013 , 10:31 AM | #81
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling View Post

Query: How is it that HK-47 is stronger that HK-50 and HK-51, despite technically being an inferior unit?
Something, something, Revan built him thus he is superior to every other advanced HK model...something, something. When there is next to no information on what HK-47 can actually do abilities wise(and what is stated just seems really genaric), the only thing he has over the other HK units in detail is his personality. But then the other HK units, don't really have any detail to them either so its really a tie.
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Warren-Stride
01.03.2013 , 10:38 AM | #82
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Oh really? Well Wookieepedia says otherwise but whatever. And yes chances are G0-T0s assassins might get to him before any of that actually happens. But Tyber Zann is going to keep himself well defended at all times, and I don't think the Zhug brothers or the Gand nest or any other bounty hunter will be up the task of killing him. Not even the HK-50s (they were defeated by T3 remember :P) If anything it would take time and planning, which G0-T0 doesn't have a lot of.

Query: How is it that HK-47 is stronger that HK-50 and HK-51, despite technically being an inferior unit?
I'm not -sure- about the Urai thing. But I think people are reading a little too far into it when they say that Urai isn't force sensitive because he used a force power around ysalamiri. It's called a mistake in a video game.

Ok, T3 is just a boss. He had the best upgrades money could buy and was equipped with tons of special tricks. He was Revan's droid, after all. Zann doesnt have armor like T3. he has a jacket and an exposed head. And that fight was always hard for me. I just had to keep using my flamethrower over and over. :P

It didn't take time and planning to find the Exile multiple times. And she was traveling in one insignificant ship, not a fleet. I bet they could do it, that's what they're hired to do.

Confused Answer: I have no idea. But it's making people underestimate the HK-50s, which is annoying.
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Beniboybling
01.03.2013 , 10:47 AM | #83
I suppose HK-47 has just been heavily upgraded by Revan and Meetra over the years. He managed to go toe-to-toe with the Sith Empire's best so he must be very powerful. Same goes for T3-M4.

And IMO G0-T0s yacht is very similar to Traya's fortress on Malachor V - nigh impenetrable. If G0-T0 survives this round he will become a real contender, for who but a crime lord can get hold of a crystal gravfield trap, and play G0-T0's game? (looks to Traya )

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Aurbere
01.03.2013 , 12:05 PM | #84
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling View Post
I suppose HK-47 has just been heavily upgraded by Revan and Meetra over the years. He managed to go toe-to-toe with the Sith Empire's best so he must be very powerful. Same goes for T3-M4.

And IMO G0-T0s yacht is very similar to Traya's fortress on Malachor V - nigh impenetrable. If G0-T0 survives this round he will become a real contender, for who but a crime lord can get hold of a crystal gravfield trap, and play G0-T0's game? (looks to Traya )
If I might make a suggestion for a tri-battle:

Traya vs. G0-T0 vs. Xizor

That would be cool.
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Beniboybling
01.03.2013 , 12:11 PM | #85
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere View Post
If I might make a suggestion for a tri-battle:

Traya vs. G0-T0 vs. Xizor

That would be cool.
I'm afraid I don't decide who features in the tri-battles, that's decided by whoever wins the brackets. However methinks the final could easily turn out to be between Traya and G0-T0, which would be a very interesting battle indeed. But that depends if either of them make it to the semi-finals, and if they play there cards right.

Just thinking aloud here but my opinion of who is going to emerge the victor is shifting. I think the outcome would be much the same if the Kaggath became a chess tournament, guile and deception are just as important and strength and size, if not more important... but we shall see.

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Aurbere
01.03.2013 , 12:13 PM | #86
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling View Post
I'm afraid I don't decide who features in the tri-battles, that's decided by whoever wins the brackets. However methinks the final could easily turn out to be between Traya and G0-T0, which would be a very interesting battle indeed. But that depends if either of them make it to the semi-finals, and if they play there cards right.

Just thinking aloud here but my opinion of who is going to emerge the victor is shifting. I think the outcome would be much the same if the Kaggath became a chess tournament, guile and deception are just as important and strength and size, if not more important... but we shall see.
Gosh Darn it!

I already know who is going to win, but we shall see how the other competetors shape up.
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01.03.2013 , 02:51 PM | #87
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling View Post
I'm afraid I don't decide who features in the tri-battles, that's decided by whoever wins the brackets. However methinks the final could easily turn out to be between Traya and G0-T0, which would be a very interesting battle indeed. But that depends if either of them make it to the semi-finals, and if they play there cards right.

Just thinking aloud here but my opinion of who is going to emerge the victor is shifting. I think the outcome would be much the same if the Kaggath became a chess tournament, guile and deception are just as important and strength and size, if not more important... but we shall see.
See, if that happens, I could see stalemate very easily. But that's for another day.

Quote: Originally Posted by Ausstig View Post
But if G0-T0 doesn't leave then how can he destory Tyber's power base?

Tyber can (and does) project power on a galactic stage. The war is all over the galaxy if G0-T0 doesn't leave Nar Shaddaa then Tyber wins by default.

Hanharr won't be bribed? Is loyal to the Exchange? What game where you playing? He (if you are dark) comes to YOU with a plan to find G0-T0 and kill for the Hutt. So yeah, he is not as loyal as Urai.

Also how do picture the fight going down? they walk into an area and some one yells start? I pictured it that either
1. Hanharr arranged events before hand with Tyber.

or

2. They ambush him with the HKs on point, Urai senes something and slips away. His troops get shoot up and he plays a cat and mouse game picking off the HKs one by one. Then he has a Boss Battle with Hanharr and gets Tyber to convince him join. Also G0-T0s' HKs weren't all that good a fighting.
Thanks for helping me with this Warren, but I got this.
How to hurt Zann's power base
1) Bounty Hunters and assassins. G0-T0 could easily send HK's to investigate, and from there sabotage and assassinate any who stand in G0-T0's way. This is the only real way I see it, but in all honesty, I don't see the point. Maybe a few, but not an invasion force. If G0-T0 stays on Nar Shaddaa, Zann will be forced to attack, since G0-T0 won't leave. This gets rid of Nightsister/rancors(I did this anyway), tanks, and a majority of Zann's army.

Your scenario (let's pretend) is flawed as well. So Hanharr sides with Zann (even though he won't) so what? HK's are droids. Droids programmed to kill. If something gets in the way of that kill, they are killed. No question. So, shoot Hanharr, then Urai. Send multiple HK's, and have them hide in wait. Hanharr begins doing whatever you say. HK's notice that Hanharr isn't fighting. That makes them shoot both targets. If Urai escapes, he ain't finding the HK's. Even with force sensitivity, they are droids, so no sensing.
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Segastorm
01.03.2013 , 04:25 PM | #88
Wait a second, where is the idea coming from that Urai used a force power around Ysalamiri?
Nothing really says in-game he used force powers, and if you're talking about that stun, that's from a personal device.....
Point: Urai's force sensitivity was very miniscule, he said himself he could only distinguish between light and dark.

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Beniboybling
01.03.2013 , 04:47 PM | #89
Quote: Originally Posted by Segastorm View Post
Wait a second, where is the idea coming from that Urai used a force power around Ysalamiri?
Nothing really says in-game he used force powers, and if you're talking about that stun, that's from a personal device.....
Point: Urai's force sensitivity was very miniscule, he said himself he could only distinguish between light and dark.
Oh OK I see, I think I misinterpreted the information.

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Ausstig
01.03.2013 , 04:49 PM | #90
Quote: Originally Posted by Canino View Post

How to hurt Zann's power base
1) Bounty Hunters and assassins. G0-T0 could easily send HK's to investigate, and from there sabotage and assassinate any who stand in G0-T0's way. This is the only real way I see it, but in all honesty, I don't see the point. Maybe a few, but not an invasion force. If G0-T0 stays on Nar Shaddaa, Zann will be forced to attack, since G0-T0 won't leave. This gets rid of Nightsister/rancors(I did this anyway), tanks, and a majority of Zann's army.

Your scenario (let's pretend) is flawed as well. So Hanharr sides with Zann (even though he won't) so what? HK's are droids. Droids programmed to kill. If something gets in the way of that kill, they are killed. No question. So, shoot Hanharr, then Urai. Send multiple HK's, and have them hide in wait. Hanharr begins doing whatever you say. HK's notice that Hanharr isn't fighting. That makes them shoot both targets. If Urai escapes, he ain't finding the HK's. Even with force sensitivity, they are droids, so no sensing.
But if G0-T0 is fighting a gang war on Nar Shaddaa how can he also be messing up Tybers power base? Tyber is coming from a much better starting position the only way G0-T0 can win is if he fights a guerrilla war. Which Tyber can defeat by bribing his forces and hunting down G0-T0's strong hold, which he then attacks in force (why would Tyber NOT use Nightsisters on Nar Shaddaa? Rancors on Skyscrapers sounds like win to me) and forces G0-T0 to defend him self or lose his only power base.

Another way is to find and blow up the HK factory, we know from the in-game content that the HKs have a homing beacon that can be used to trace them back to their place of origin, so Tybers' techs figure it out and then BOOM, no more HKs.

Also jedi can sense DANGER as well as intent. Ok well 1. I had too scenarios; The first had Hanharr side with Tyber before he even gets to the planet, in which case he could just destroy/sabotage the droids on the way there. In the Second one Urai didn't face Hanharr until AFTER all the HKs were destroyed, so either way the point about them is moot.

Also why would Hanharr not join Tyber? He can offer him just as much (if not more) bloodshed then G0-T0, who keep in mind likes order not chaos, so Hanharr would be disruptive to that. Maybe Tyber could bring that up "Hanharr, you are a mighty warrior, but surely you must realise G0-T0 will kill you after this join me and you can kill to your hearts content." OR some such argument.



Quote: Originally Posted by Warren-Stride View Post
G0-T0 doesn't need to leave Nar Shaddaa. But his forces (aka HKs, Ubese bounty hunters, Gand, Exchange, Zhug Brothers) will move across the galaxy to hurt Zanns powerbase. Also remember that in order to win G0-T0 just has to kill Zann. G0-T0 is all about endgame.

There's no winning by default. Traya stayed on Malachor and she won. Somehow. Anyways, staying in one place does not make you lose by default. In this case, it'll make G0-T0 win.

What game were -you- playing? You don't bribe Hanharr, he comes with you because he wants bloodshed. He doesn't care about credits, just battle. And siding with G0-T0 will get him many more people to kill than siding with Zann. There's no reason for him to defect.

His 'forces' can be beaten and Nar Shaddaa placed under blockade, as the planet starves (major issue for a city world) what will G0-T0 do?

Also the whole Traya thing bugs me; If you have contained the enemy threat why not wait them out? I could buy Revan being rash or impatient or just think he was unbeatable, but Tyber he just say 'Let him rot, I've got a galaxy to corrupt. HAHAHAHAHA" Also Revan surrendered, even though it was explicitly stated in the op that you can't/won't.


Any way, I never said you bribed Hanharr, he was working for Voga the Hutt the entire time. My point was that he was not loyal to G0-T0 the same way Urai is to Tyber. he wants to kill and kill a lot, G0-T0 likes order Hanharr is not conducive to order, thus he will kill him after the war. Also Tyber can offer him just as much if not more bloodshde/chance to fight Urai then G0-T0.

Also about influence, G0-T0 can influence markets and economies but he can't effect regime change directly. He could work for months to position his pieces and set up for a friendly government to take over a planet, then have Tyber come in and take out the new guy with his army.


A fun way I could see this ending is Tyber and G0-T0 teaming up to take over the Galaxy. Tyber will provide stability and military forces will G0-T0 manages the books. They would be a joint entry, meaning that they wouldn't have any allies as one fills that spot for the other.

"Jedi, Sith, Empire, Republic. Their time has past now comes the age of the Consortium." The full name is the Zann-G0-T0 or G0-T0-Zann Consortium.

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