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An in-depth look at: Force Powers

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An in-depth look at: Force Powers

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Aurbere
10.31.2012 , 12:37 PM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by Maaruin View Post
It's more than that. Both sides have some sort of Force lightning, though the dark side's is more destructive while the light sides more effective in incapacitating the opponent. Both sides have healing techniques, though dark healing has more downsides.



I'm not sure if Force stun is just a game mechanic, but if it is not, I would certainly describe it is offensive. It is also without permanent demage, but still so effective that a Sith would also use it. In cases like this the context (what they want to do with the prisoner) is the difference between them.
Each side uses the "universal" powers differently. Jedi are more passive aggressive where the Sith are more aggressive with their use. In the case of Force Lightning, the Jedi don't approve of the use of it unless they can control it. Sith use the power no matter what. It's become a sort of trademark where pretty much every Sith uses it.

I don't think Force stun is an actual power. It may be more similar to some form of mind trick. But if it is real, I wouldn't consider it an offensive power. To me, offensive powers are ones that cause actual physical damage.
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Maaruin
10.31.2012 , 12:47 PM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere View Post
Each side uses the "universal" powers differently. Jedi are more passive aggressive where the Sith are more aggressive with their use. In the case of Force Lightning, the Jedi don't approve of the use of it unless they can control it. Sith use the power no matter what. It's become a sort of trademark where pretty much every Sith uses it.
Yeah, I know the Jedi are careful with Force lightning. The point I am trying to make is that there are no completely exclusive Force powers. Every dark (or light) power is a modification on some "universal" power. Maybe this series will convince me otherwise, if you can show totally exclusive powers.

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I don't think Force stun is an actual power. It may be more similar to some form of mind trick. But if it is real, I wouldn't consider it an offensive power. To me, offensive powers are ones that cause actual physical damage.
Well, then another example: Would a Jedi use telekinesis to break his opponents arm?
"I was one of many. We were servants of the dark side… Sith Lords, we called ourselves. So proud. In the end we were not so proud. We hid… hid from those we had betrayed. We fell… and I knew it would be so."
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Aurbere
10.31.2012 , 12:55 PM | #13
Quote: Originally Posted by Maaruin View Post
Yeah, I know the Jedi are careful with Force lightning. The point I am trying to make is that there are no completely exclusive Force powers. Every dark (or light) power is a modification on some "universal" power. Maybe this series will convince me otherwise, if you can show totally exclusive powers.



Well, then another example: Would a Jedi use telekinesis to break his opponents arm?
True. Each side has certain "modifications" of universal powers.

Probably not. Maybe if they are pushed to the edge. But a Jedi usually tries to end a battle in the least violent ways. Usually just trying to disarm an enemy. The Sith would though.
Added Chapter 29 to The Shadows Fall
"My ultimate goal is the secret of life-that life that gives us consciousness, for without consciousness each of us is nothing. Through science, i will create new life and sustain my own. There is no reason Darth Plagueis could not live forever."

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Maaruin
10.31.2012 , 01:01 PM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere View Post
True. Each side has certain "modifications" of universal powers.

Probably not. Maybe if they are pushed to the edge. But a Jedi usually tries to end a battle in the least violent ways. Usually just trying to disarm an enemy. The Sith would though.
OK; that's what I meant

Well, as a Jedi I certainly would rather use the Force to break his arm than using a lightsaber to cut it off. And as a Sith I would use the Force to rip his arm off
"I was one of many. We were servants of the dark side… Sith Lords, we called ourselves. So proud. In the end we were not so proud. We hid… hid from those we had betrayed. We fell… and I knew it would be so."
-Ajunta Pall

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Aurbere
10.31.2012 , 01:05 PM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by Maaruin View Post
Well, as a Jedi I certainly would rather use the Force to break his arm than using a lightsaber to cut it off. And as a Sith I would use the Force to rip his arm off
That's the thing, though. It's a matter of perspective. It's not set in stone what a Jedi would do. The OP set forth the general idea of what Jedi and Sith would prefer to do in battle. But its not absolute.

Personally, I would try to beat my opponent without permanently damaging them. The opposite if I were Sith.
Added Chapter 29 to The Shadows Fall
"My ultimate goal is the secret of life-that life that gives us consciousness, for without consciousness each of us is nothing. Through science, i will create new life and sustain my own. There is no reason Darth Plagueis could not live forever."

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Maaruin
10.31.2012 , 01:13 PM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by Aurbere View Post
That's the thing, though. It's a matter of perspective. It's not set in stone what a Jedi would do. The OP set forth the general idea of what Jedi and Sith would prefer to do in battle. But its not absolute.

Personally, I would try to beat my opponent without permanently damaging them. The opposite if I were Sith.
I see.

But unfortunately the OT also has a very bad scene I can't explain away: When Luke throws his opponents into the Sarlacc pit. I would have no objection if he would mercilessly cut them down and I can even accept him blowing up Jabba's sailing barge. But that is just...
I think they didn't think about it when making this scene, because it is totally not Jedi like and also not really in character for Luke at this point.
"I was one of many. We were servants of the dark side… Sith Lords, we called ourselves. So proud. In the end we were not so proud. We hid… hid from those we had betrayed. We fell… and I knew it would be so."
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Aurbere
10.31.2012 , 01:15 PM | #17
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I see.

But unfortunately the OT also has a very bad scene I can't explain away: When Luke throws his opponents into the Sarlacc pit. I would have no objection if he would mercilessly cut them down and I can even accept him blowing up Jabba's sailing barge. But that is just...
I think they didn't think about it when making this scene, because it is totally not Jedi like and also not really in character for Luke at this point.
Maybe it was an accident or heat of the moment sort of thing. Like a "Get out of my way!" thing.
Added Chapter 29 to The Shadows Fall
"My ultimate goal is the secret of life-that life that gives us consciousness, for without consciousness each of us is nothing. Through science, i will create new life and sustain my own. There is no reason Darth Plagueis could not live forever."

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starwarsmarsian
10.31.2012 , 04:46 PM | #18
I personally don't really think that it is just like: there is light and there is dark. It is, in my opinion, a lot more complicated. There could be e.g. a Jedi who seeks revenge for something and therefore hurts those responsible, while he doesn't hurt innocents, or a Sith with honor, who doesn't hurt or kill people just for fun.

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Aurbere
10.31.2012 , 04:58 PM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by starwarsmarsian View Post
I personally don't really think that it is just like: there is light and there is dark. It is, in my opinion, a lot more complicated. There could be e.g. a Jedi who seeks revenge for something and therefore hurts those responsible, while he doesn't hurt innocents, or a Sith with honor, who doesn't hurt or kill people just for fun.
That's actually more of a morals thing. Several Jedi have sought revenge and it drew them to the Dark Side. Qui-Gon Jinn was one of them. The path of revenge usually leads to the Dark Side. There are some Sith that fight with honor, but they are few and far between. Dooku is an example of such a Sith. When it comes to the Force, it is Light and Dark.
Added Chapter 29 to The Shadows Fall
"My ultimate goal is the secret of life-that life that gives us consciousness, for without consciousness each of us is nothing. Through science, i will create new life and sustain my own. There is no reason Darth Plagueis could not live forever."

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-Star-Scream-
01.02.2013 , 08:45 PM | #20
Some Jedi do use the force for offense. Mace Windu used force crush to crush one of General Grievous's lungs as he was running away. This left a permanent injury until his death.