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Forced to Go Sorcerer Hybrid

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Forced to Go Sorcerer Hybrid

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NoTomorrow
01.02.2013 , 04:27 PM | #41
Quote: Originally Posted by orryko View Post
Yes our server is full of bads (see my statement about bads thinking they're amazing and therefore if they perform badly they must need buffs). What is your rating again? If you want to see me in action, come over to pot5 and i'll show you what a good sorc can do. Oh, and lol at needing sprint to break their snares when you can dispel force crush. Stay small.
Very impressive, assuming you are not lying. So you are saying that it is possible to do something with full lightning in pvp? I would like to see some videos as i never believed in full lightning being capable of this.
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orryko
01.02.2013 , 04:56 PM | #42
I''m not lying. Anyone can come on pot5 and see my pvp rating, look at my gear, watch me in a wz, etc. Most of the good teams/players quit, but there are still a few around who can verify I did in fact play as lightning in rated.

As for a video, I thought about doing it so maybe it's something I'll look into. It's hard to say exactly a set rotation because there isn't one. General advice would be to always keep crushing darkness and thundering blast on cooldown. Save recklessness for chain lightning procs. For your second charge of recklessness, either use it for force lightning proc or the self-heal (with my gear it's about a 5k crit). Tab affliction on every target if you know it's going to be a battle and they don't need to be cc'd, that way you can switch to them and burst at any moment. ALWAYS keep force slow on cooldown as well, especially if you notice a melee getting too close to you.

I know it's really general advice but I react to each class differently based on my positioning, which cds they use, etc.

As for gear, I mentioned it in my initial post. You want 30% crit buffed. I have 75% surge. I switch all the mods to +40 power and all the enhancements to the lower endurance/higher power. I use all willpower augments. My bonus damage is 975.3 at the moment and when I'm finished I will be ~1000 bonus damage (if I switch exp crystal for power in my saber, already have 41 power in my oh).

Edit: Sorry missed your other question. Yes it's more than possible for a pug. Some games you will get stomped on but the majority of the time you will make just as big of a difference as any other high dps. Let's be real though...anyone will die when 2 or 3 smashers are on you, or even 2 pts. Against a good premade, you need one of your own. I succeeded in rated partly because I had a guard on me when I was focused, which allowed me to turret. Secondly, I used my knockback root to keep pressure off our merc healer so he could also turret and heal. There are many variables which can influence your success, but if you just want to queue solo as lightning, you'll unfortunately have to min/max with at least wh before you'll match up. I can 1v1 much more easily on my sin and even my op...I feel like I have to play perfectly in some 1v1 situations, so I guess that's where the frustration comes from many sorcs

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warstory
01.02.2013 , 05:32 PM | #43
Quote: Originally Posted by orryko View Post
I...I feel like I have to play perfectly in some 1v1 situations, so I guess that's where the frustration comes from many sorcs
this is how i feel, I know alot of different class and I know how to counter but with my sage tk spec it is hard 1 on 1, you got to interupt that ravage, cleanse dot, kite, and fine some way to get off your casts.

what mods do you use ? I am going to start min maxing already fully augmented

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orryko
01.02.2013 , 06:11 PM | #44
Quote: Originally Posted by warstory View Post
this is how i feel, I know alot of different class and I know how to counter but with my sage tk spec it is hard 1 on 1, you got to interupt that ravage, cleanse dot, kite, and fine some way to get off your casts.

what mods do you use ? I am going to start min maxing already fully augmented
i'm not finished min/max ewh yet either...i like playing on my alts and grinding all the extra gloves, belts, and legs is a *****. the actual mod is the war hero's aptitude 27...34 end, 52 wp, 30 exp, 40 power. I put it in every single piece except for the chest, which I use the stock ewh forcemaster chest. The stock chest allows me to be just over 30% crit when all is said and done. I use 2 piece mystic and 2 piece master for the bonuses. I put pve armorings in my belt and bracer (hopefully you can afford the 63s =P). I will continue using wh force healer ear and wh force lord implants, because ewh all suck.

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ZeppFreeloader
01.08.2013 , 09:02 PM | #45
First, I will note that I prefer a hybrid spec on principle. However, the BioWare system is designed to prevent this from happening, top-loading the branches. That being said, because of some very strong t3 and t4 choices with good synergy in the sorcerer branches with lackluster t7s in the damage branches specifically, sorcerers tend to work better hybrid. This is a backhanded nerf on sorcerers because they cannot pure-spec as well as other classes, and have several points wasted in t1-t2-t3. This is made even worse by the need of almost any build to have at least five points in lightning.

Sorcerers, on the other hand, will likely see the greatest benefit from the extra five levels, but still requires improvements to t6-t7 slots.

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AdmiralParmesan
01.10.2013 , 03:05 AM | #46
I can verify that zeno'bia not only plays but excels at full lightning. That stat priorities he listed are also in line with my own findings. Having around 270 alacrity is a must because without alacrity you will never get your casts off against good players. The only problem I'm having is figuring out exactly what I want my crit to power ratio to be at; currently im only running 954 bonus damage and 35% crit.

Regardless lightning can set up pretty amazing single target burst and decent aoe pressure/burst thanks to chain lightning. The capability of the spec varies based on the amount of the enemies around and the capability of your teammates to peel/guard you if need be. Full lightning is by no means 1v1 spec and you should avoid such confrontations; you need a group setting to maximize the occurrence and effectiveness of your procs.

When I am in a warzone I am usually top dps by a good margin. My damage scores are not as high as when I play the hybrid but I feel my damage is actually effective. The difference is I am actually killing my targets quickly and hitting entire groups of enemies for 4.5k while bursting a single target thanks to chain lightning. The spec is a lot of fun and very challenging and in my opinion it is at least as viable as hybrid dps for rated, maybe moreso.


I could try to record some footage but I don't have much experience with video editing. If anyone has some program suggestions for doing that I could try to at least get some unedited game-play footage up.
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Chemic_al
01.10.2013 , 05:10 AM | #47
Quote: Originally Posted by AdmiralParmesan View Post
Regardless lightning can set up pretty amazing single target burst and decent aoe pressure/burst thanks to chain lightning. The capability of the spec varies based on the amount of the enemies around and the capability of your teammates to peel/guard you if need be. Full lightning is by no means 1v1 spec and you should avoid such confrontations; you need a group setting to maximize the occurrence and effectiveness of your procs.
That's a big if, and basically admitting you need help to do your job. Chances are if you're in that good a team that you're able to freecast most of the time, it wouldn't really matter which spec you use.

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warstory
01.10.2013 , 08:56 AM | #48
Quote: Originally Posted by Chemic_al View Post
That's a big if, and basically admitting you need help to do your job. Chances are if you're in that good a team that you're able to freecast most of the time, it wouldn't really matter which spec you use.
The fact that 1 vs 1 we suck is a problem that needs fixing

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Laforet
01.10.2013 , 09:41 AM | #49
Quote: Originally Posted by orryko View Post
I''m not lying. Anyone can come on pot5 and see my pvp rating, look at my gear, watch me in a wz, etc. Most of the good teams/players quit, but there are still a few around who can verify I did in fact play as lightning in rated.

As for a video, I thought about doing it so maybe it's something I'll look into. It's hard to say exactly a set rotation because there isn't one. General advice would be to always keep crushing darkness and thundering blast on cooldown. Save recklessness for chain lightning procs. For your second charge of recklessness, either use it for force lightning proc or the self-heal (with my gear it's about a 5k crit). Tab affliction on every target if you know it's going to be a battle and they don't need to be cc'd, that way you can switch to them and burst at any moment. ALWAYS keep force slow on cooldown as well, especially if you notice a melee getting too close to you.

I know it's really general advice but I react to each class differently based on my positioning, which cds they use, etc.

As for gear, I mentioned it in my initial post. You want 30% crit buffed. I have 75% surge. I switch all the mods to +40 power and all the enhancements to the lower endurance/higher power. I use all willpower augments. My bonus damage is 975.3 at the moment and when I'm finished I will be ~1000 bonus damage (if I switch exp crystal for power in my saber, already have 41 power in my oh).

Edit: Sorry missed your other question. Yes it's more than possible for a pug. Some games you will get stomped on but the majority of the time you will make just as big of a difference as any other high dps. Let's be real though...anyone will die when 2 or 3 smashers are on you, or even 2 pts. Against a good premade, you need one of your own. I succeeded in rated partly because I had a guard on me when I was focused, which allowed me to turret. Secondly, I used my knockback root to keep pressure off our merc healer so he could also turret and heal. There are many variables which can influence your success, but if you just want to queue solo as lightning, you'll unfortunately have to min/max with at least wh before you'll match up. I can 1v1 much more easily on my sin and even my op...I feel like I have to play perfectly in some 1v1 situations, so I guess that's where the frustration comes from many sorcs

Listen, brother, i will try to be as soft as possible on this one but i ask for forgiveness even before i start talking, becuase i will prolly shatter some bones here.

First, we all know rating in SWTOR means nothing. With no matchmaking system and lack of xserver queues, rating inflation is not a possibility but a true reality.

For example, on Fatman server, you would expect STS had the highest ratings on the server, they didnt. Highest ratings on Fatman were from Blood Pact, and im sorry but Blood Pact was farmed hardcore by STS, Reported, Ladles crew or even Instinct. Blood Pact had such higher ratings because they queued non stop all day with like 30 members to always get a team going. The amount of rating you have correspond to the amount of games you played on a backwater server before the merge. It doesnt mean skill, means youre a tryhard really.

Second, while i myself am out of the RWZ scene (lack of good teams to play with unfortunately) i asked around the people i know who are doing rateds (got a couple of friends in Casuals, Hostile, STS, etc) and no one of them even heard about your guild or your rated teams. If you were THAT sucessful im sure some people would have heard about you or played your team and took notice of how skilled you are, right?

To your defense, one of my friends actually knew your guild. He said you guys have some decent players but you dont do rateds at all, i will take his opinion as truth.

Third, we actually met in a pug, you were running with a double premade of your guild + some kickass players (mast the operative healer) against a duo queue (me + toc), GG from casuals facetanking on his mando (dont get me wrong bro ure a crack player but heals is hard), and 5 of the most horrible recruit pugs in the universe.

You win, i will give you that, but barely. We actually got to second door in VS and we ALMOST opened it before not impressive at all bro not impressive at all.

Dont get me wrong, i do think you are a decent player (especially because toc / nectebo vouched it for me) but you dont have the right to come here in the forums and brag like a PvP hero for the unexperienced people, its just not true.

1 - You dont run a sucessfull RWZ team on P5
2 - You (and your guildies) are good players, but pugging is easy
3 - Light sorc is not good for RWZs, you will notice that when you face really punchy teams, one is ok if you have like a really gifted player. Even tho, if you have a gifted player ask him to rerrol something more useful, ive heard snipers kick *** for ranged dps.

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orryko
01.10.2013 , 02:18 PM | #50
STS really? lol...they don't have the dps to compete. and people you asked about me either didn't do rated when all the good teams played, or they were on farm status. The top two guilds when rated came out up until the end of summer were Brutalize and PKers, there is no mistake about that. So lol@your sources.

The game you are referencing, we didn't have a double premade. You guys had two 4 man premades, we had 1 4 man and one 2 man. Regardless...I was top damage on imp side even over smashers, and I only lost to nectebo by under 100k. He's a great player for sure but a pyro vanguard should outdps me if they play well. Your healing output was laughable. I guess the only props I can give you is that at least you dispel yourself. And the game wasn't even close...you opened a door on our pugs, not on anyone in brutalize, and then we proceeded to farm you at the second door.

Yeah, we haven't run our team since august, but that was still after all the major class changes, and since then, most of the good teams and players have quit. It's funny that the few random teams who still play beat their chest when they're farming nobodies for 1 point wins. I broke 2k after barely 100 games...most people are barely over 2k now with 500-600 games. Get the point? The only team that matters repub side now is HSP, so go ahead and ask hotshot, he more than knows me and my guild.

And depreva...I can 1v1 very easily against most people and classes. There are a handful of good players for certain classes that would beat me or give me trouble, but most would fall over. The problem, as I've stated before, is that a lot of times you have to play perfectly and rotate bubble stuns with knockback and hard stun to win. If they adjust the resolve value on bubble stun then I probably would lose the majority of 1v1s I am winning now.