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Ultimate PVP balance thread

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Ultimate PVP balance thread

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JackNader
01.02.2013 , 11:33 AM | #1
Basically would like this thread to be used as a scratchboard. All thoughts on class balance changes are welcome. I don't really care how off the wall the suggestions are. Any ideas that are well received I'll edit into this post. Keep in mind that Bioware is going to be less likely to make PVP changes if they interferes with PVE.

I'll kick off with some changes I'd like to see and some random thoughts. Note that I'm an imperial only player so all the changes I'm listing concern the class versions I'm familiar with.


First up Tanks:- I would like to see taunts locked to the tanking stance like guard is. The tanks job is team damage mitigation and it demeans their roll if DPS stances can mitigate damage via taunts as well.

Bounty hunter - General

-Missile blasts heat cost reduced to 16 heat from 25.
-Remove the minimum range from death from above and make the ability immune to interrupt.

Powertech - Shield tech

-Add defense to the shieldtech tree equivalent to that of jugs.
-Boost oilslicks accuracy debuff from 20% to 40% and lock it to the ion gas cylinder.


Mercenary - Arsenal

-Missile blast slows the target for 2 seconds
-Increase movement speed by 15%bonus when high velocity gas cylinder is active.

Marauder - general

- Lose the ability to obfuscate, cut it's duration by half or have it reduce the targets accuracy by 40% instead of 90%- This is so that they "eat" more of the burst of other classes. (Sins opening maul from stealth, ravages, sniper attacks, powertech railshots, etc) Marauders defensive cooldowns are head and shoulders above all other dps classes. In the beta they didn't have cloak of pain. They were designed to mitigate damage through avoidance. People complained bitterly that the class was too squishy so bioware added cloak of pain. When cloak of pain was added, obfuscation should have been removed.

Marauder - Annihilation

- Bleed dots can't be cleansed.

Marauder - Rage

*SUGGESTIONS PLEASE*

Sorcerer - Lightning

- Change backlash back to what it was.
- Add 15% movement speed high up in the tree
- Remove the activation time of lightning strike so that it can be cast while moving.
- Add armor penetration to shock high up in the tree for burst damage.
- Increase thundering blasts damage by 20%
- Lower thundering blasts activation time to 1.5 seconds
- Add a -30% aoe talent in the second tier of the tree.


Juggernaut - vengeance

-Increase bleed damage by 30%
-Remove the sunder requirement on shatter

Juggernaut - Rage

*SUGGESTIONS PLEASE*


Operative - General


-Lower the cooldown of stealth from 5 seconds to 1 second.

Operative - Concealment

Balancing concealment operatives is actually rather tricky. These guys have very good opening burst. Their ability to stun lock the target also means that they can remove 60 - 70% of the targets hit points before they are able to actually do any damage back. The main problem with concealment operatives is that they lack sustained damage output. However, If they are given sustained damage output in their current state it would return them to pre 1.1 status where they literally raped every class hands down. So the question is what do about them?

One method would be to allow player kills to reset the cooldown on combat exit. This would allow the concealment operative some more utility in largescale fights. However, it does nothing to address the lack of sustained damage output.

Another method would be to allow hidden strike to be used outside of stealth. Hidden strikes knockdown effect would have to be adjusted so that it only triggers when used from stealth. It's cooldown and damage may also need to be adjusted depending on how it parses.

Assassin - General


-Lower the cooldown of stealth from 5 seconds to 1 second.

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Zarrot
01.02.2013 , 11:35 AM | #2
Honestly, I cannot take this thread seriously since it doesn't mention smash.

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JackNader
01.02.2013 , 11:40 AM | #3
I don't play smash spec as its a FOTM spec. I refuse to play any spec that people roll on mass until its balanced. I'll leave smash balancing to people who are heaviily familiar with it. If you have thoughts please spill them.

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Xinika
01.02.2013 , 12:07 PM | #4
Quote: Originally Posted by JackNader View Post
I don't play smash spec as its a FOTM spec. I refuse to play any spec that people roll on mass until its balanced
That's like saying I can drive a car, but rather ride a horse because I have this deluded sense of 'honor'.
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JustinxDuff
01.02.2013 , 12:11 PM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by Xinika View Post
That's like saying I can drive a car, but rather ride a horse because I have this deluded sense of 'honor'.
Car to a class in a video game?

Apple and oranges.

And nerf obfuscate? really?
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Xinika
01.02.2013 , 12:13 PM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by JustinxDuff View Post
Car to a class in a video game?
Can work just fine, actually. There's a reason why so many people roll smash. It's effective in group situations and moreso when there's more than one. Why not use it?
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WickedImage
01.02.2013 , 12:15 PM | #7
This was not well thought out before posted. No offence intended to the op, but seriously, ops removing 70% on opener doesnt happen anymore, no smash mention, and a several other nonsensical thoughts.
As another said, this is a tough post to take seriously....
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JackNader
01.02.2013 , 12:33 PM | #8
I know.. shocking right.. someone with honor!

Obfuscate - How many times have you cast it just as someone ravages and then laughed your *** off as they do no damage? How many times have you cast it on a sin whose opened on you and laughed as their next 2 mauls missed. How many times have you been set on fire by a combust PT and laughed because their next 2 railshots missed. It's an overpowered ability. In every casting situation it prevents a marauder from eating anywhere from 6 - 10k damage. They have cloak of pain which already puts them at tank status and saberward also adds 50% defense + 25% tech/force damage reduction. They DON'T need obfuscate.

Still yet to see one person make a meaningful comment on smash spec that I can add to the original post.

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JustinxDuff
01.02.2013 , 12:38 PM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by JackNader View Post
I know.. shocking right.. someone with honor!

Obfuscate - How many times have you cast it just as someone ravages and then laughed your *** off as they do no damage? How many times have you cast it on a sin whose opened on you and laughed as their next 2 mauls missed. How many times have you been set on fire by a combust PT and laughed because their next 2 railshots missed. It's an overpowered ability. In every casting situation it prevents a marauder from eating anywhere from 6 - 10k damage. They have cloak of pain which already puts them at tank status and saberward also adds 50% defense + 25% tech/force damage reduction. They DON'T need obfuscate.

Still yet to see one person make a meaningful comment on smash spec that I can add to the original post.
I think you have it backwards. Obfuscate is fine its the other 2 defensive CDs.
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JackNader
01.02.2013 , 12:45 PM | #10
If they lose any of those other 2 cooldowns.. I don't really care. They do need to lose at least 1 tho. Obfuscate , to me is the obvious choice. Atleast when they activate saberward there's still a 40 - 45% chance of you landing an attack vs a 5 - 10% chance with obfuscate.