One reason there is a tank shortage in group finder

To me a healer is kinda lazy if he only heals. I spend alot of my FP time dpssing as healer. As long as people stay above 80% hp i dont see the problem. Ofc that only happens in the good groups, in the bad groups the time i could have spend dooing a bit of "dps" is most likely spend healing myself because of healeragro.

Im not sure why you didnt think of it but there is an easy fix to your issue OP, Vote Kick the healer out and get a replacement in the next minute, easy and fast.

Did you read the OP?

The problem was the healer dps'ing INSTEAD of healing.

If your group is zooming through the instance, no worries, then sure, do some dps on the side.

But not when the group is wiping because you're too busy dropping Force Storm to notice your tank's red bar is almost gone ...

So is a Tank a lazy tank if they only taunt and hold agro?
Is a DPSer a lazy DPSer if they only clear adds and do DPS?

Or this double standard of yours only apply to healers and your desire for them to do your job as well?


NO ONE should ever complain about a heal focusing all his/her attention on healing, thats their job.
If the Tank and DPS doing there jobs, the healer never has to even think about adding DPS to their rotation (unless they want to of course).

Sadly its true though that often the healer will have to add DPS numbers, or focus self healing, because the DPSers are lacking in their own ability or the tank and DPSers are oblivious to anything that gets by them so Healer SOL and need to self heal, group heal, DPS all at once cause the other 3 in group not very good at their jobs.

But to calla healer lazy because they wish to do their own job properly rather then fill in the slack for the non functional DPSers?

WOW thats pretty moronic claim.

As for me, I have 4 level 50 healers and DPS all the time when in guild groups because our tanks control agro properly (and hit important interupts lessing damage taken greatly) and our DPSers are taught to watch the whole fight and pick up any and all adds the tank might miss. This allows me the healer to actually keep everyone at 100% health (not 80%) and add damage when I can.

But the chances of that happening in a PUG group are slim to none and I tend to go pure heal mode because the Tanks and DPSers simply require more and bigger heals all the time.

I might throw a DOT or some basic attacks when healing to speed things up but nothing to really compromise my power pool. I would never expect a healer to do anything but healing and maybe debuff when necessary.

Believe me, I am 100% cognizant of this. I always give the benefit of the doubt (believe I mentioned this too), and things came apart very quickly. And again, it wasn't just the healer. DPS overall wasn't quite there either. I probably was more patient than I should have been, but I decided quitting the group was the best answer.

I am not lost on that point, trust me. I never expected to change the world with my post, be self-righteous or anything like that. Just voicing myself and sharing some perspective. Believe me, it was only a short time ago that I was 'that tank' in WoW. I would straight up vote kick people for having s*** DPS in PUGs, not knowing what to do and not willing to learn, or straight up screwing around and wasting everyone's time. Before I know it, I WAS 'that tank' that some people in this thread have complained about. It's a fine line, and I try to stay on the positive side of it these days. I'm only 30 and already that 'Get off my lawn guy'. Don't need that crossing over into my game time again. Perhaps I was too lenient before bailing, but I think I made my reasoning for that clear in the OP.

A good time for healers to get in on the DPS is when someone has the enemy stunned, say a Jedi Knight using Force Stasis. I'll usually have my Commando open up with some of her heavy hitters at that point. I'll also help by lobbing out a Cryo Grenade to stun mobs, also buys me time to heal up the group (AOE Heals suck on Commandos). Plus I usually have to keep an eye out for other targets that need a quick CC. Other than that I'll generally focus on healing unless everyone is topped up and I can afford to take a quick turn at doing some damage. Basically it comes down to judging the right time to stop healing and start damaging. If everyone's at near full health and not taking insane damage then that's a good time, or if your in a crucial DPS burn phase of a fight where every point of damage counts (Fabricator Droid in KP for example), however the most important job a healer has is "to heal" if everyone survives the battle then the healer has done their job regardless of whether they had to pitch in with the DPS or not. If you are relying on the Healer for DPS at crucial stages then there is something terribly wrong with your DPS players.

My thoughts on tanking in this game.

I just got a Jedi guardian to level 50 a couple of days ago and I must say tanking is pretty hard in this game. Let me compare it to world of warcraft tanking (I know you guys are sick of hearing that game's name frankly I am too). I've tanked successfully in world of warcraft for over two years. On my level 90 Paladin, and back in cataclysm on my 85 Warrior. Tanking it seems in wow is 50 times easier because you actually have the skills and the complexity of the stats that help you out. There are more aoe tank buttons to press that helps you keep high aggro on multiple mobs at once.

I think a mistake was adding the lazy button. For a Jedi Guardian "Soresu Form" and for a Trooper "Ion Cell." These skills tell me that they didn't want to think of a more complex way of tanking, and or having skills that deal high threat while having optimized aoe tanking. To me this just says, "If you want to tank, press this button and your good to go." There's no attribute stacking, or complexity of skills that noticeably make you a more effective tank.

I know there's like absorption rating, and defensive rating but how effective are these if you really stack them, and can you stack them? WoW just feels more fluid with the character movements and engaging pulls while tanking.

In my opinion they have a lot more work to do not only with tanking but with adding a more complex stat system. I think that might be a contributing factor as to why there is a shortage of tanks.

Best Line ever
Healer : Its okay, I can tank pretty good
*Jumps in*