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Spatology
12.27.2012 , 12:16 PM | #101
Quote: Originally Posted by markcymru View Post
I think this is known as cutting off your nose to spite your face.
More like popping a zit or cleaning earwax? Cleaning up content that doesnt work and removeing refuse from the body.

I would not hypothetically speaking, judge this contents hypothetical value as far as body function as a "nose".

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MiaRB
12.27.2012 , 12:21 PM | #102
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Back on topic... So what did happen to the talk about adding SGRs and why is it being swept under the rug? Bioware, when can we expect an update on the status of SGRs ?
the only thing you can really go on is that they said sgr would only come in new story content. when/if they add new companions or raise comp affection cap and add new companion story arcs is when it would/could be added.

it is also worth noting that BW is not in total control of content in the game, lucasarts still has final say. so BW could have intended to add SGR, but was vetoed by lucasarts. now with disney in the mix, i suppose they could veto it as well.

my personal opinion is it has less to do with BW not wanting to add sgr or getting vetoed by lucasarts... but more to do with how expensive and how much time is involved in creating more companion story content and the like.
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VelvetSanity
12.27.2012 , 12:24 PM | #103
Quote: Originally Posted by Spatology View Post
All of the affore mentioned content you are tossing out is active "live action" never to be reproduced in exactedness (the uniqueness art requires) content, compared to what i was suggesting. Poorly written diolouge, with a fade to black then renter scene left continue poorly written diolouge malarky.

There is no value in the content. I dont need sex to enjoy star wars.
And I don't need PvP, "endgame" or even combat in general. But I *do* expect fair and equal treatment. In fact, I demand it. However, removing the currently existing OGRs doesn't provide that, as it is currently in-game and available, while SGRs aren't. If you remove currently existing OGRs, the only way to truly be fair and equal would be to put in SGRs for an equal length of time, and then remove them.
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VelvetSanity
12.27.2012 , 12:26 PM | #104
Quote: Originally Posted by MiaRB View Post
the only thing you can really go on is that they said sgr would only come in new story content. when/if they add new companions or raise comp affection cap and add new companion story arcs is when it would/could be added.

it is also worth noting that BW is not in total control of content in the game, lucasarts still has final say. so BW could have intended to add SGR, but was vetoed by lucasarts. now with disney in the mix, i suppose they could veto it as well.

my personal opinion is it has less to do with BW not wanting to add sgr or getting vetoed by lucasarts... but more to do with how expensive and how much time is involved in creating more companion story content and the like.
That's still no excuse for not telling the players. Even saying "the decision has been made to never include this content" would put them in less of a hole than the apparent gag order on the issue is digging them into.
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TUXs
12.27.2012 , 12:29 PM | #105
Quote: Originally Posted by VelvetSanity View Post
That's still no excuse for not telling the players. Even saying "the decision has been made to never include this content" would put them in less of a hole than the apparent gag order on the issue is digging them into.
I absolutely agree with this. But Bioware has lied and mislead players about their intentions for ages now. Remember when Joveth promised (again) better communication?!
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Exilim
12.27.2012 , 12:33 PM | #106
My fem Twilek smuggler is holding out for Risha. Make it happen.
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PresentTense
12.27.2012 , 01:50 PM | #107
As a straight ally, I support the inclusion of SGRA and the people who have fought the long fight for equality in and out of this game. This was a feature that was originally supposed to be in at launch, then was supposed to be added this year. I think people deserve an update on a feature that is more than a year overdue with no news whatsoever, especially from a company that prides itself on its pro-LGBT stance.

LGBT individuals might be a minority in society, but it's increasingly clear that people who support them are reaching majority status. Support for marriage equality is growing in all generations, religious traditions, political parties, political viewpoints, races and genders, and it's continuing to climb. http://features.pewforum.org/same-se...udes/index.php

Let's get past the silly arguments about slippery slopes leading to relationships with people, creatures and things that cannot legally consent to such things and recognize there's a level of diversity in the human experience that has not yet been fully recognized by the laws of a country that bases its morals on equality of opportunity. Yes, SWTOR is only a small part of that, but it's the part that we should talk about in this forum, and this conversation deserves to be had.

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EJedi
12.27.2012 , 01:58 PM | #108
I'm against them adding SGR to the game. At this point, I don't think they can afford to. It has nothing to do with anyone's sexual preference. It's a simple matter of logical/efficient use of development resources. It's like a person on welfare buying a Mercedes instead of feeding their children.

The content they create needs to cater to all of their audience, and not just a small portion of it. New story content, planets, etc. are valuable to every player's game experience. Adding ANY new romantic content would be ill-advised at this point, unless they can find a way to work that content into the game the way they did with Liara in Mass Effect. Adding a few lines of dialog to make a relationship gender-neutral could be done. Making a specifically homosexual character would be, IMO, a waste of resources that would make me lose faith in the remaining team's ability to ensure any sort of long-term health for the game.
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Troezar
12.27.2012 , 03:07 PM | #109
There are much bigger issues with this game. Lobbyists have ruined many a game, hopefully they ignore this along with calls for other minor changes and fix basic bugs and gameplay issues.

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natashina
12.27.2012 , 03:27 PM | #110
SGRAs are in all current BioWare games, except for this one. I believe that is what the poster meant. Shoot, the Sims have same sex marriage in them, so even EA has it in it's recent games.

EU is considered fact and a perfectly legitimate viewpoint. It's cannon, so it's verified.

Here are the different forms of canon for the SW Extended Universe.


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The Holocron is divided into five levels (in order of precedence): G-canon, T-canon, C-canon, S-canon, and N-canon.

G-canon is absolute canon; the movies (their most recent release), the scripts, the novelizations of the movies, the radio plays, and any statements by George Lucas himself. G-canon overrides the lower levels of canon when there is a contradiction. Within G-canon, many fans follow an unofficial progression of canonicity where the movies are the highest canon, followed by the scripts, the novelizations, and then the radio plays.

T-canon[4] refers to the canon level comprising only the two television shows: Star Wars: The Clone Wars and the Star Wars live-action TV series. Its precedence over C-Level canon was confirmed by Chee.[5]

C-canon is primarily composed of elements from the Expanded Universe including books, comics, and games bearing the label of Star Wars. Games and RPG sourcebooks are a special case; the stories and general background information are themselves fully C-canon, but the other elements such as character/item statistics and gameplay are, with few exceptions, N-canon.

S-canon is secondary canon; the story itself is considered non-continuity, but the non-contradicting elements are still a canon part of the Star Wars universe. This includes things like the online roleplaying game Star Wars: Galaxies and certain elements of a few N-canon stories.

N-canon is non-canon. "What-if" stories (such as stories published under the Star Wars: Infinities label), crossover appearances (such as the Star Wars character appearances in Soulcalibur IV), game statistics, and anything else directly contradicted by higher canon ends up here. N-canon is the only level that is not considered official canon by Lucasfilm. A significant amount of material that was previously C-canon was rendered N-canon by the release of Episodes I–III.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_canon

I doubt that is going to change due to Disney anytime soon, so I consider the EU cannon.