1 Year and not much content? Should be B2P...

Going off this they have sold 2.55 million box copies. In another thread, someone said the last official statement was 400k-600k, but I know in July they said well over 500k. Most took this as 650k-750k.

While they may not have lost 2 million "subscribers" per se, as the game peaked at 1.7 million subscribers, and has dropped 300k-400k every quarter since. They did fail to retain about 2 million people, if not more, as subscribers.

I'm assuming that's what grombrinda was trying to get at.

That's the multi-million dollar question right now. And honestly, it feels like they're choosing the coasting option.

It already feels like people are running out of patience with the bugs still lingering around since...forever. Now with the servers getting very laggy, as we can see by some of the post on the first page of General Discussion, people are getting tired of the bugs and the bad optimization.

We had another thread discussing this like last week, and most of us would be happy if the next patch or 2 was nothing but optimization and bug squashing.

Gotcha. I was ranting because I had to correct alot of your mistakes. I understand different teams are responsible. Im kind of wondering how many teams or people are even on teams considering almost all the bugs from Beta are STILL in this game PLUS the ones they introduce everytime they "fix" something. LOL So wait...If something is supposed to be included but it didnt make it it "wasnt meant to be in"? Are you kidding me? Seriously man you need to give up now. You just look worse and worse. I was actually IN Beta which you obviously were not. You do know the Fatality was in as well as all the quest givers on Hoth for HK right? It was all there they just didnt unlock it like EA does with DLC for games like ME3. You do know that Ancient Hypergates WAS fully playable MONTHS ago at Gamescom and was ready to go. They havent been hitting their 6 week cycle. They cut up what was supposed to be the last (incredibly late) Game Update and are delivering it piece by piece to make it look that way. Content already finished, done by the team theyve fired long ago. Take a long hard look at wows content released and SW:ToRs like raids for example and tell me with a straight face they are even close to even. They almost always have twice as many bosses, multiple gear paths, etc. We have a serious problem in this game with gear hell most people are maxing stats and having to throw **** into stuff thats useless. You are a complete joke Im starting to wonder if you even play this game lol.

A few thoughts:

Isn't it the case the the MMO industry is moving away from the WoW/EQ game as hobby style of MMO?
It's probably the case that WoW is a one off (right game at the right time) and that noone else will able to capture it. Probably not even Blizzard.

Surely the way forward is to make an MMO that people dip in and out of ie play some new content when it arrives. Buy a few things from the market etc. as and when and expect that that will be the majority of your playerbase with those who are really into the game subscribing for a few months? And that year after year subscribers as found in WoW are probably things of the past?

And of course, that's how BW are running the game.

So maybe it's something that is now designed for most players to dip in and out of and that we've all got to accept that!

Sorry sir but YOU are flat out WRONG...

Im killing 5 mobs and get jumped by a dam sith marauder in the back how am i to kill 5 mobs and a sith? think use you're brain, this is ganking, when im on 5% health resting and get attacked by a sith assassin and 1 shotted in the back, this is useless, open world pvp is a fail in SWTOR, it has very fun pvp when its balanced and structured but the open world has no goal or objective, its a 2006 WOW Stranglethorn vale moment all over again, they are apparently remaking ilum in some big pvp plan update but as it is right now if you like to be 1 shotted and ganked and call that skillfull pvp then be my guest.

I recall wow taking month and months to get to lv 60? i got to lv 50 in 2 weeks on swtor pal JOG ON

Well pal i played the game since 16 hours a day for months, it failed when the servers were empty and the pvp was broken, 1 shot in pvp what the fu is that? who hits first wins, that is not pvp...

it has more players now people can return for free but did you see the servers before B2P? i did i played it, i saw it i was there, so dont say because i dont play a game, because i did.

This is not the fuc..... The secret world. if you want B2P buy TS2 or GW2

but i don't want this game in B2P

meses? it took me 2 or 3 weeks get level 60

No vanilla wow took the average player 6 months to get to lv 60, as for TSW, why do you not want SWTOR to be B2P? it would give the devs a box to sell for £30, people could play and enjoy the game as much as they want and pvp and raid and run dungeons unlimited like GW2, and the devs would get a constant flow of money when they release new story dlc packs, why are oyu against this? or are you just an ignorant chav cu?

Its obvious by that statement that you did not play Vanilla WoW,