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Why can Sins combat stealth then use out of combat healing infront of you?

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Why can Sins combat stealth then use out of combat healing infront of you?

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Smashbrother
12.26.2012 , 06:37 PM | #61
Quote: Originally Posted by NamikazeNaruto View Post
You're comparing force cloak + mind maze + heal to a healer companion, really? The difference is, you can prevent a shadow from being able to benefit from his combo if you play smart and don't break his 4 second stun while your resolve isn't even full yet, it's that simple. Or if you do break his CC prepare to do an AoE taunt if you have it, or some other AoE as soon as you break the stun because chances are he WILL do that combo. This is not comparable to a healer companion which is a 2nd person to help you fight. This combo is using your abilities to their fullest, just like a sentinel waits to use his undying rage until he is almost dead, he is making the most of his abilities. As for legacy abilities? Yeah go ahead and try to use them in a duel, see where it gets you.
I didn't say that only I would get to use a companion did I? We'd both be able to use our comps. My comp's also in full WH gear, but not everyone gears out their comps. I also have 5 legacy abilities because I have that many high levels (soon to be 6), but other people have maybe 1 or 2 legacy abilities. These abilities are all free, mostly instant, and do good damage and can easily win you the duel. So would that be cheap for me to want to use comps in a duel?

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AdmiralParmesan
12.26.2012 , 06:52 PM | #62
Yeah if you don't think in combat stealth, mind trap then seething isn't cheap and highly overpowered 1v1 you are simply biased. This is besides the fact that assassins/shadows are the best 1v1 class in the game even without this ability

If you honestly think this tactic isn't cheap, then you also probably think dueling a sniper while utilizing LOS the whole time isn't cheap either. Or dueling as a healer against a non healing dps class for that matter
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12.26.2012 , 06:52 PM | #63
Quote: Originally Posted by Smashbrother View Post
Do you not understand the difference between using resources to use an ability (scoundrel healing himself), and using OOC healing which regenerates HP and resources? Following your logic..
Stop, you're not following the logic.
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NamikazeNaruto
12.26.2012 , 06:56 PM | #64
Quote: Originally Posted by Smashbrother View Post
I didn't say that only I would get to use a companion did I? We'd both be able to use our comps. My comp's also in full WH gear, but not everyone gears out their comps. I also have 5 legacy abilities because I have that many high levels (soon to be 6), but other people have maybe 1 or 2 legacy abilities. These abilities are all free, mostly instant, and do good damage and can easily win you the duel. So would that be cheap for me to want to use comps in a duel?
Why would we both duel with our companions again? In warzones, do you get to use companions against enemies? No, but it lets you use force cloak + mind maze + meditate doesn't it? Why would I treat a duel any differently than if I was dueling someone 1v1 in a warzone? It's like me saying to a Sentinel... ok, I'll duel you, but you can't use undying rage, like, do you realize how retarded that is? Why is it fine that every other class can use their abilities but when us shadows use ours as intended we have to listen to your rage and QQ?
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12.26.2012 , 06:58 PM | #65
Quote: Originally Posted by AdmiralParmesan View Post
Yeah if you don't think in combat stealth, mind trap then seething isn't cheap and highly overpowered 1v1 you are simply biased. This is besides the fact that assassins/shadows are the best 1v1 class in the game even without this ability

If you honestly think this tactic isn't cheap, then you also probably think dueling a sniper while utilizing LOS the whole time isn't cheap either. Or dueling as a healer against a non healing dps class for that matter
I don't think that LoSing a sniper while dueling him is cheap actually, it's one of his main weaknesses, and if you exploit it, that makes you a smart player. In a warzone would you not try to LoS him?
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12.26.2012 , 07:01 PM | #66
Quote: Originally Posted by NamikazeNaruto View Post
Why would we both duel with our companions again? In warzones, do you get to use companions against enemies? No, but it lets you use force cloak + mind maze + meditate doesn't it? Why would a treat a duel any differently than if I was dueling someone 1v1 in a warzone? It's like me saying to a Sentinel... ok, I'll duel you, but you can't use undying rage, like, do you realize how retarded that is? Why is it fine that every other class can use their abilities but when us shadows use ours as intended we have to listen to your rage and QQ?
We've already discussed this. WZ =/= dueling. Stop treating the two of them as if they're the same because they're not. You can set rules up before you duel someone. You can't do that in a WZ (unless you're playing against friends or something and are on VOIP).

You can't use on use relics and attack adrenals in WZs either, but people use them in duels all the time. Is that cheap?

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JP_Legatus
12.26.2012 , 07:01 PM | #67
1. I've never dueled anyone that complains about or doesn't allow combat stealth sap and seethe in a duel. As multiple people have stated save your cc breaker for the sap, l2p issue
2. Almost every single class in the game has a similar cheap mechanic. Sorcs and mercs have stun and self heal, ops have same as sins, marauder has undying cheat. Only 2 classes that can't stun and self heal in some way are jug and sniper. That's 2 out of 8 classes.
3. Sorcs and mercs self heal can be cast during ANY stun or ANY Los, not just ooc so you need to realize which classes to complain about if you think dps self heals is bs
4. There's a 6/8 chance you play a class that has a similar mechanic as explained above so you're more than likely complaining about your own class

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Smashbrother
12.26.2012 , 07:04 PM | #68
Quote: Originally Posted by JP_Legatus View Post
1. I've never dueled anyone that complains about or doesn't allow combat stealth sap and seethe in a duel. As multiple people have stated save your cc breaker for the sap, l2p issue
2. Almost every single class in the game has a similar mechanic. Sorcs and mercs have stun and self heal, ops have same as sins, marauder has undying cheat. Only 2 classes that can't stun and self heal in some way are jug and sniper. That's 2 out of 8 classes.
3. Sorcs and mercs self heal can be cast during ANY stun or ANY Los, not just ooc so you need to realize which classes to complain about if you think dps self heals is bs
4. There's a 6/8 chance you play a class that has a similar mechanic as explained above so you're more than likely complaining about your own class

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Jesus *********** Christ, how many idiots are there that think self healing in combat is the same as OOC heals? One uses up valuable resources to gain health, while the other gives you both.

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NamikazeNaruto
12.26.2012 , 07:05 PM | #69
Quote: Originally Posted by Smashbrother View Post
We've already discussed this. WZ =/= dueling. Stop treating the two of them as if they're the same because they're not. You can set rules up before you duel someone. You can't do that in a WZ (unless you're playing against friends or something and are on VOIP).

You can't use on use relics and attack adrenals in WZs either, but people use them in duels all the time. Is that cheap?
To each their own I guess, because if I duel someone, I duel them with all the tools at my disposal(minus companions.) I treat every duel as if it was a 1v1 in a warzone. This is why I find the whole thing stupid. If I ended up losing a 1v1 to some really good Sentinel in a warzone solo guarding a node because I didn't use force cloak + mind maze + meditate out of some stupid honor code or something, you think my team would give a damn about that? All they would know is that I lost the 1v1, and lost the node, and probably the game for them. There is only winning or losing in a warzone, and so I treat duels the same way. If this combo was so cheap you wouldn't be allowed to do it in a warzone, just like you can't use companions in a warzone.
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12.26.2012 , 07:08 PM | #70
Quote: Originally Posted by NamikazeNaruto View Post
To each their own I guess, because if I duel someone, I duel them with all the tools at my disposal(minus companions.) I treat every duel as if it was a 1v1 in a warzone. This is why I find the whole thing stupid. If I ended up losing a 1v1 to some really good Sentinel in a warzone solo guarding a node because I didn't use force cloak + mind maze + meditate out of some stupid honor code or something, you think my team would give a damn about that? There is only winning or losing in a warzone, and so I treat duels the same way. If this combo was so cheap you wouldn't be allowed to do it in a warzone, just like you can't use companions in a warzone.
At first bolded part. You're arbitrarily deciding not to use comps because if you are going to use ALL YOUR TOOLs to win, then you'd use comps and legacy. You're basically making your own set of rules for dueling (no using comps), and that's no different from someone else saying no OOC healing.

At second bolded part. So that means you use on use relics and attack adrenals in duels? Cause if you do, I don't see why comps and legacy are any diff. Both are not useable in WZs.