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1 Year and not much content? Should be B2P...

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1 Year and not much content? Should be B2P...

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kamed
12.26.2012 , 12:12 PM | #21
Why are we even using WOW as a MMO reference as if that's the epitome for the entire genre? Seriously... Its like apples and bananas.

Anyway, TOR created a lot of new content this past year and I have no idea what the OP is referring to the lack of content. There's so much content in the game and unless you created and played characters of all the advance classes, genders, alignment and with lvl 63 mods, I am not sure as to how you lack content.

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sstanks
12.26.2012 , 12:23 PM | #22
Quote: Originally Posted by AdamChattaway View Post
So yea the games been out 1 year but im worried about how little content they have added, they prob started this expansion before release like other games do with future content, but for a $10 expansion that is 1 planet we will complete in 2 days and NOT even individual storyline for each class but 2 story's for each faction it seems to me they are very much failing to deliver anything worthwhile for a years worth of sub, they still have a failed pointless open world pvp and this is why i rerolled on a pve server because why be ganked on a pvp server with no other reason?

At release i was a total fanboy and assured people they would add regular content liek they said but after 1 year and an upcoming mini expansion 1/10th size of a lotro expansion they bring out yearly im sad to say i agree with them now, they dont care or cant keep up with content demands of an mmo consumer and 1 planet a year is a total fail.

IMO they should go down FUNCOMS road with The Secret World and make the game BUY TO PLAY (too late now with f2p) and you should but the game for £30 and then all current content at release if free and expansions e.g. makeb you buy for £6 or whatever, no F2P crap and item stores, no restrictions, just you buy the game play it buy content dlc packs for future planets, funcom hit this on the head right here best method ive ever seen a game go down.

I don't see how they can stop this game from dying, there's nothing to do endgame once you bored of a few raids and repetitive arena pvp and sitting on fleet is so depressing and boring and NOT star wars, cities should be on planets like in SWG to grow community's and give life to the galaxy.

So i really hope they can change but as a massive star wars fan and mmo fan im sad to say i dont think this game will last much longer even the servers have died down from the F2P launch, and restricting 5 dam warzones a week is going to help population for 1-2 hours per week on the start of each week, then the rest of the 6 days will be as dead as ever (£21 month to buy weekly passes...)
well given it's first year they have still managed to release more content then WoW and most other MMOs. The only one that beats it is Rift.


btw if you do the math they have released an average 6 weeks per new content. You have 6 patches and 2 live events so 12 divided by 8 gives you 1.5 which is 6 weeks. That's really good for a MMO.

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Kazaganthis
12.26.2012 , 12:48 PM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by GalacticKegger View Post
For the record (these are just the major points & does not include new gear additions) ... http://www.swtor.com/patchnotes

NEW CONTENT
1.1
Kaon Under Siege (FP)
Karagga's Palace (Op) wing expansion
Rise of the Rakghouls (multi-week world event)

1.2
Black Hole (lvl 50 Zone)
Explosive Conflict (Op)

1.3
World Boss weekly missions

1.4
Terror from Beyond (Op)

1.5
Section X (lvl 50 Zone)
Dreadtooth (World Boss)
Explosive Conflict (Op) nightmare mode
HK-51

1.6
Ancient Hypergate (WZ)
Weekly Heroic Space Missions

NEW FEATURES
1.2
Legacy
Customizable UI/Interface Editor*

1.3
Group Finder
Augment Slots
Ranked War Zones

1.5
F2P & Cartel Market

1.6
Artifact (purples) starship upgrades

* A friend gave me a 30-day WoW resub to come party with the guild as a Christmas present; but this time I played without addons. There is nothing a player can do with WoW's UI except add a couple more bars. They can't be moved around or resized. Need Bartender for that. The layout itself looked like a plageurization of LOTRO's UI ... just can't do anything with it.

After taking 3 hours to complete the Pandarean starting area with a monk it was back to Orgrimmar and the same old WoW. The new 85 - 90 PvE content is okay, but every raider in the guild had completed everything up to the Mogu'Shan Vaults - and already had 4/6 bosses down - in less than a week. If WoW remains the industry benchmark then the industry has issues.
Just so you know dailies and a world boss arent "content" and neither is a NiM mode OP where all they did was buff life and damage and make you use a med pac but sure try to pad that list. KP and KUS were going to be in the game and almost done but EA pushed up the release date for christmas so dont act like they got that finished real quick for us. This game severely lacked any updates we went 6 months from 1.2 to 1.4. Now redo your list. Most people finished endgame here in less than 2 months hence why so many left and the biggest complaint has BEEN that theres NOTHING to do at 50.

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Kazaganthis
12.26.2012 , 12:49 PM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by sstanks View Post
well given it's first year they have still managed to release more content then WoW and most other MMOs. The only one that beats it is Rift.


btw if you do the math they have released an average 6 weeks per new content. You have 6 patches and 2 live events so 12 divided by 8 gives you 1.5 which is 6 weeks. That's really good for a MMO.
LOL. Really we went 6-7 months with no updates, no new content and you try to use averages and math tricks to make them look good? Man the lengths fanbois will go is insane.

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paowee
12.26.2012 , 12:50 PM | #25
I stopped reading here

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So yea the games been out 1 year but im worried about how little content they have added, they prob started this expansion before release like other games do with future content, but for a $10 expansion that is 1 planet we will complete in 2 days
Either you're a gypsy fortune teller who can predict the future, you're an insider from Bioware who just leaked us information, or you're talking out of your ***
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kamed
12.26.2012 , 01:01 PM | #26
Just so everyone knows, new players don't care about what happened months ago, what's important is the direction this game takes now. Holding on to year ling grudges about how content was not released to your liking helps no one here.

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AdamChattaway
12.26.2012 , 01:13 PM | #27
Quote: Originally Posted by GalacticKegger View Post
TY for actually reading the post & I agree completely. A purely sandbox MMO would be ideal, but the QA needed to keep it from spiraling out of control would kill anything not named Microsoft. I think about what open source has done for the computer industry, and then think how it would be if every single end user's creation was added to the train. It would be a train wreck regardless of how smooth or simplified the editing tools were.

It's just not possible - especially where plot and story are concerned. Reading a book and writing a book are not the same. Having millions of contributing authors would make it an unintelligible read, regardless of the editing capabilities.
But no sandbox game is big or survives, seriously eve online is the biggest sandbox game out and ferw people play that, there are no big sandbox games because a WOW style combat sandbox game people will ger bored of, its MMO's in general people are bored of, most new mmos have something new bit by bit new mmos have more features and such but people still get bored, GW2 and its WVWVW everyone made it sound like the best thing ever and at release people got bored of it, sandbox games do NOT get enough customers, people like the on the rails, Ive preorded darkfall unholy wars, this is a sandbox game and will have 2 servers and a small community of players, sandbox games are never big.
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GalacticKegger
12.26.2012 , 01:14 PM | #28
Quote: Originally Posted by Kazaganthis View Post
Just so you know dailies and a world boss arent "content" and neither is a NiM mode OP where all they did was buff life and damage and make you use a med pac but sure try to pad that list. KP and KUS were going to be in the game and almost done but EA pushed up the release date for christmas so dont act like they got that finished real quick for us. This game severely lacked any updates we went 6 months from 1.2 to 1.4. Now redo your list. Most people finished endgame here in less than 2 months hence why so many left and the biggest complaint has BEEN that theres NOTHING to do at 50.
Perhaps not for you. But for the rest of us new bosses, missions & quest zones are called content. TOR averages a new content addition once every 6 weeks, be it a world event, Op, flashpoint, new planet zone, missions... Blizzard isn't even doing that. Neither is Turbine, NCSoft, Cryptic or Funcom.

I have 2 level 50s with a mix of Tionese & Rakata gear, and 2 level 40+s that are closing in on end game. Most people either don't power level, have a progression guild to carry them or possess your uberness. Translated, most people have not finished end game yet.

The reason people were leaving in February and March was because of Ilum crashes and the RWZ release delay. Other than Ilum end game had squat to do with it as there were 2 fresh Ops and an Op expansion (new wing with 4 additional bosses) in the first 3 patches. Since then they've focused more on the game itself: a customizable UI, RWZs, Legacy, Group Finder, Cartel store, etc...

Internet water army volunteers no longer have an effect here, and I for one am glad they don't.
Can we please just have our pre-KotFE SWTOR MMORPG back?

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AdamChattaway
12.26.2012 , 01:18 PM | #29
Quote: Originally Posted by GalacticKegger View Post
I did miss that because the servers I was on at the time (Mask of Nihilus & Jedi Covenant) had no such issues. I trust that population issues existed, but the game was far from dead ... or we wouldn't still be here.

Personally I play a game for what it is now, not for what it was. But that's just me. And the new players could not care less about the growing pains that happened 10 months ago. Anyone who does needs to do a bag dump. In fact, staying with it and watching the game stabilize & grow has been rather satisfying imho.

If you are interested in seeing just how far a game can tumble, check this out (taken just after midnight Christmas eve):
http://www.galactickegger.com/Pics/wow_12-25-2012.jpg

Of note is that TOR now has more active North American servers (8) than WoW does (7). For both faction hubs (think fleets): Stormwind on Kirin Tor had 15 people in it, while Orgrimmar on Thorium Brotherhood had a whopping 12. Orgrimmar on Mal'Ganis (a PvP server) was pretty packed though.
Sorry are you comparing WOW server on Christmas eve, to TOR servers normally? im an EU player and i can tell you WOW EU has like 100 servers and half are active, thats 50x SWTOR, so either US hates wow nowadays or theres more Christians in the world myself had a good Christmas eve and Christmas, so oc people wont be on wow, measure wows servers in 2 days and swtor in 2 days.
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AdamChattaway
12.26.2012 , 01:26 PM | #30
Quote: Originally Posted by paowee View Post
I stopped reading here



Either you're a gypsy fortune teller who can predict the future, you're an insider from Bioware who just leaked us information, or you're talking out of your ***
What an ignorant reply, $10 for an expansion, they said its the same size as the biggest current planets int he game, i can complete 1-2 planets in 1 day, so i reckon i can complete a new zone of equal size in 2 days, good day.
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