We have more players than GW2?

I just finished Vos yesterday on Pot5 and it had 120 players on empire.

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if your game is lagging with 20 people then I hate to tell you this but your computer needs to be upgraded. Now I do get lag when i have 250 people on fleet. But that is a bit more then 20. Don't beleive me? watch my stream. I am able to play on full graphics settings duel monitors and stream and only get lag when there is 250 people on fleet.

Ah, there is your problem. A) It's not a game for you, probably because it dares to do things in a slightly different way and B) you blame a company for your own inability to keep your account save. Well, I can live with A, but B is something you should think about. The bubble that should have been bursted is your opinion, that you're not responsible for the safety of your own account.

Fun fact: unlike yours, mine and the accounts of many other GW2 players weren't compromised.
That must have some reason, right? ...

You're mad, nothing more. That's why you sing along this song. ;-)

LOL @ this. So true. There's always one game on the horizon that everyone is touting, saying how as soon as it launches it's gonna crush every single MMO out there. Heard it about AoC, heard it about WAR, heard it about SWTOR, and then GW2. There are a lot of gamers for whom the grass is always greener.

Right now seems to be the only time I can recall in the last few years that I haven't heard a lot of "as soon as [insert game here] releases, this game is done!" posts. Are there any MMOs in development right now that everyone is touting as the next 'WoW killer"?

Mind you, I'm not saying GW2 is bad. I've never played it so I can't say anything about it, really. But I do know that no MMO, on release, could have lived up to the hype and expectations people had for it. I said the same thing about SWTOR before it released: good or bad, the hype around it was so massive that it seemed impossible for it to live up to the expectations.

I hit level cap in GW2 and for the most part, it was fun. I have tried several other parts of the game, WvWvW, sPvP, FOTM etc., and just cannot go back. I've tried several different chars but alas, no holding power for me. However, I had the same feeling in SWTOR after level cap. So, I do not think the population in GW2 is any less then what it was I first began. I still see people in starting areas and throughout much of the world. Everyone has their own perception, but does it really matter? Play what you like. Now I'm back here and enjoying myself.

Modern designers hadn't yet twigged that endless consuming is not enough, there is always something missing.

Allow players to create as well and they'll be hooked for years. Whether it is there own house, clothing, vehicles etc. but it had to have meaning and should require some work to have value.

The raid model as end game is tired and worn out, time for something more dynamic and unpredictable and long lasting. Not easy to do or we'd already have it!

well if it doesn't happen to you then must not happen of course to the thousands of players who replied and complained about lag they are more believable than you are. Wow really streaming, so there's tons of videos showing illium unplayable but because one guy has good quality then it must be everyone elses pc. Fan boys like you are the reason the game died the first time saying it's your pc look at my god like rig it runs perfect. Its funny that ps2,secret world, gw2 tons of other games all are playable and don't lag like crazy or have fps issues but swtor has had it since day one but its my pc. You just said the hero engine was fine and its my pc.
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I have a 40 Guardian spec'd for PvP and WZs are a nice way to level. Not to mention gearing for both character and companions. I mix WZs up now with class and planet storylines and it's a great mix.

There is less than 100 people most of the time. But even if it was 100 people the number is still very low.
Just think about it 3 servers with 100 people on each planet. That does not make up for a lot of people in total.

I have to agree with you on this. I just came back after a hiatus of several months, and I'm going planet to planet and still seeing lots of people on each. Still tons on fleet, too. Oh sure, there are fewer on later planets than on starter planets, but there are still very healthy numbers on the later planets.

I also agree on the PC settings. My computer is actually rather out of date. I'm not even running an Intel Core i series, I'm using an Intel Quad-Core from 2007. Now, I've done a lot of other stuff to keep my PC up to date: upgraded graphics cards a couple times since my original system, and upgraded RAM. But my graphics card now is still pretty out of date compared to a lot of folks. That being said, I'm an IT engineer and keep my system regularly updated and clean. I keep all my drivers current, don't install stuff I don't need, uninstall stuff I don't use, and every year or so I backup the stuff I want to keep, format my hard drive, and re-install my OS (basically whenever the PC is running a little slower than I'd like).

Is it time consuming? Yeah, a bit. I need to re-install all my games, but I only reinstall the ones I am currently playing, and if I decide to go back to a game I reinstall it. If I have long download/patch times, I set 'em up before I go to bed, and the next day I'm reinstalled, patched, and ready to go. So with a fairly out of date machine, I am running SWTOR on medium-high (not ultra high) for most settings. I get very little lag. I do get lag at fleet when there are 200+ on, but it isn't major. If I'm out running missions, or even flashpoints or ops, I very rarely have lag.

My opinion is that most people that have major issues with lag or performance either have very outdated machines or machines that aren't very well maintained. I do NOT say that is the case for everyone with performance issues. But I know that in my experience, a well-maintained, fairly out of date machine runs SWTOR pretty darn well. Not perfectly, not with everything at ultra high settings, but very well on medium-high settings.

To complex for them to appreciate the value of each game.I did beta on GW2 and it isn't my cup of tea.I played both GW 1 and D2 and enjoyed both.When DAO came out that was the best RPG ever to me.I would still pop back over to the other games I played.
Sometimes I go back to Kotor 2 or BG.Also this talking point of OMGZ this was suppose to be the greatest game.Because someone post that means nothing.That is a opinion.I never seen where Arena net posted that or any of the developers.