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Dear Bioware a better F2P model will make you money !

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Dear Bioware a better F2P model will make you money !

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Spooler
12.26.2012 , 08:40 AM | #31
honestly even just bumping preferred access to suck slightly less would be better than the current system

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Vlacke
12.26.2012 , 08:42 AM | #32
OP your lack of forum avatar reeks of troll, among other things.
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Galbatorrix
12.26.2012 , 08:48 AM | #33
Quote: Originally Posted by Spooler View Post
I'd pay for micro-transaction stuff, I say that because I do the inventory space across all toons is amazing for starting alts and some of the cosmetic fluff is cool too.

if your statement were true no one would buy games or see movies in cinemas they would just pirate them.

That's a bad analogy, as you're referring to theft and there are tons of people out there with better morals.

Since you brought up theaters though, in my area, we've had a few theaters change into "1 dollar movie" theaters. they would show moves that were a couple months old and only charge 1 dollar for entry, Their hope was that people would feel more inclined to purchase the super expensive sodas and popcorn if they didn't have to spend a ton on tickets. All of these theaters stayed pretty busy (people wise), but eventually closed due to lack of profits.

If SWTOR gave away the main product for free (the movie) with the hope that people would over spend on popcorn (the cash shop), then they'd be severely mistaken. Most games that try this turn to pay2win pretty fast because pay2win is normally the only way to really force the player base to spend money in the cash shop. They either have to buy the power ups or quit.

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PlasmaJohn
12.26.2012 , 08:48 AM | #34
Quote: Originally Posted by Vlacke View Post
If your friends like this game but in the same time are so cheap that they aren't willing to spend 5$ in the cartel market for preferred status then they should play something else.
I highly recommend getting preferred status. That said, there are still way too many annoyances. Subs and non-subs can only group for so long before the subs significantly outlevels the non-subs. Hard to recommend the game to somebody when you can't stick with them for more than a planet.

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The restrictions for the most part are good and working as intended, because the idea is that those who subscribe get much more than those who want to save their money, as it should be, shocking, i know.
All the non-subs are hearing is "sub or get out". I'll bet that most of those are choosing the "get out" option. If chasing away paying customers is working as intended then I'm sure the investors would like to have a heart-to-heart with their management.

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... barking at Bioware how everything should be free and handed to him on a bloody silver platter.
This tired old strawman again. There are non-subs that are more than willing to pay for unlocks but there are annoyances that have no unlocks.

EA's model is badly flawed. Instead of irritating non-subs, they should be focusing on giving people an incentive to subscribe. The Cartel Coin stipend is a step in the right direction, except most of the stuff in the CM is junk. Not making Makeb available via CC's was a major mistake. Why should I subscribe if I have to pay real money for content anyway?

None of those are unfixable but they require decisions that run counter to EA's historic short-term gains myopia.

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Jandie
12.26.2012 , 08:53 AM | #35
Quote: Originally Posted by Spooler View Post
^ I pay a sub read the thread.
As someone who has paid since and even before (pre order) day one I feel bioware should provide a decent play experience.
However what you actually said was "I feel as tho Bioware should be doing as much as they can to make the game convenient for me"

You actually feel Bioware should design this game to be as convenient for YOU as possible?

Stating that Bioware should be Providing a decent play experience is not the same as stating that the game should be designed around you. Bioware has provided a decent playing experience, you simply feel entitled to the benefits of a subscription for free.

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Nightsong
12.26.2012 , 10:12 AM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by PlasmaJohn View Post
I highly recommend getting preferred status. That said, there are still way too many annoyances. Subs and non-subs can only group for so long before the subs significantly outlevels the non-subs. Hard to recommend the game to somebody when you can't stick with them for more than a planet.

All the non-subs are hearing is "sub or get out". I'll bet that most of those are choosing the "get out" option. If chasing away paying customers is working as intended then I'm sure the investors would like to have a heart-to-heart with their management.

This tired old strawman again. There are non-subs that are more than willing to pay for unlocks but there are annoyances that have no unlocks.

EA's model is badly flawed. Instead of irritating non-subs, they should be focusing on giving people an incentive to subscribe. The Cartel Coin stipend is a step in the right direction, except most of the stuff in the CM is junk. Not making Makeb available via CC's was a major mistake. Why should I subscribe if I have to pay real money for content anyway?

None of those are unfixable but they require decisions that run counter to EA's historic short-term gains myopia.
Exactly. I was not in favor of f2p, and I'm still not happy about it, but if we are stuck with it, then let's make sure that it's a model that helps the game. The stipend is a good draw, as are the free respecs, section x, more characters, etc. However, gating the ui and the reduced xp gain reek of a money grab, and that drives people away. The gated ui needs to be removed and if you are going to give bonus xp to subs, have a way to shut it off if people want to level with ftp friends. Less punishment and more incentives will drive more customers to subs.
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Nemmar
12.26.2012 , 10:24 AM | #37
The model seems to be working quite well as it gives people the option to try out the game for as long as they want and at the same time incentivates them to sub to get rid of the annoying restrictions.
Might not be the most popular model but seems to be effective. The problem is people will never be happy until they get acess to everything for free.

With that said, the gear restrictions should be removed for prefered costumers.

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Jandie
12.26.2012 , 10:33 AM | #38
Quote: Originally Posted by Nemmar View Post
The model seems to be working quite well as it gives people the option to try out the game for as long as they want and at the same time incentivates them to sub to get rid of the annoying restrictions.
Might not be the most popular model but seems to be effective. The problem is people will never be happy until they get acess to everything for free.

With that said, the gear restrictions should be removed for prefered costumers.
Agreed, and you are so correct about people not being happy until they get access to everything for free. The OP is the perfect exampte.

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Spooler
12.26.2012 , 11:55 AM | #39
Quote: Originally Posted by Jandie View Post
However what you actually said was "I feel as tho Bioware should be doing as much as they can to make the game convenient for me"

You actually feel Bioware should design this game to be as convenient for YOU as possible?
YES, I play games for recreation why would I continue paying them money to provide me with a gaming service if it fails to entertain or is inconvenient ?

Quote: Originally Posted by Jandie View Post
Agreed, and you are so correct about people not being happy until they get access to everything for free. The OP is the perfect exampte.
Who has stated he has been and intends to continue being (even pre ordered the expansion) a paying customer /eye roll.

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sstanks
12.26.2012 , 12:30 PM | #40
Quote: Originally Posted by Spooler View Post
No i'd like to be able to play with my non sub friends in a less restricted manner.

If bioware wants the game to be successful they are going to need to take steps to ensure it is, your sense of "I pay money entitlement is just silly. Treating F2P players like second citizens instead of prospective customers is doing things the wrong way and will not encourage them to hang around and pay more to get the rest of what they were offered.
second class citizen? they are getting the ENTIRE game for FREE. Not to mention you can purchase everything from the cash shop on the GTN with in game credits. Can you name 1 other MMO that does that? If you want to play with your f2p friends then help them out buy some of the stuff of the gtn with in game credits and give it to them.

btw they are making money hand over fist from this model.