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Bioware, we find your lack of imformation disturbing..

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Bioware, we find your lack of imformation disturbing..

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ShepardSpock
12.24.2012 , 07:51 AM | #31
I find their lack of information on the expansion disturbing.

I find their lack of information on the Cartel Coin bugs disturbing.

etc

So no more money from me.

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Fornix
12.24.2012 , 07:57 AM | #32
Quote: Originally Posted by Shwarzchild View Post
This isn't completely correct. Maybe you do have a point concerning strictly video game companies. But, share holder meetings generally give the holder a very clear idea of the direction. Take Amazon for instance, they held their share holders meeting and they absolutely told those in attendance the direction of the company. I can understand being tight lipped for the sake of holding off competitors. That's not the issue I don't think. It's the feeling of everything being closed off. I can understand possibly why. There are a good many people who act extremely rude/hateful/insert any other word to describe deplorable behavior. This seems like a very apt time to actually come forward with more information about the game seeing as how it very recently switched from sub to free to play. Maybe that's what the new free to play video is supposed to do.
The EA shareholder conferences also give a good deal of information and a general idea of the direction. However, keep in mind that SWTOR is just a small element of the bigger EA picture. Just like Amazon will not always be completely focussed on for example just their Amazon Web Services but also discuss their other products the EA financial meetings will not only be about SWTOR.

Moreover, just like Amazon doesn't disclose all of its plans on their public discussion boards, EA/BioWare isn't going to disclose all of their plans on the discussion boards.

Don't forget, you may be a subscriber, you may be a customer, but most of us are not a shareholder (unless you actually have EA stock obviously).
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darklordpotter
12.24.2012 , 07:58 AM | #33
Quote: Originally Posted by kevlarto View Post
OP, I do agree with you post, back when the game was under an NDA, I could see this, but the morale in this game seems very low and information could be a good shot in the arm, one problem is they can not talk specifics and dates, if they miss that date or have to make a change, you know what happens the forums explode with you lied to us, you told us XXX would happen, followed by personal attacks on the staff. It is a thin line.

Lets look at what we know that might be coming sometime next year.

Makeb even though they could give out a bit more info since they want us to pre-order they don't have a good marketing hook.

The new ilum

The secret space project

The cathar race, for what it is worth

I am not looking for time lines of when these things will come out, I would just like to know what to look forward to in the future, we have few things. I don't think they can ever do anything to please everyone..
A comment saying we are still committed to doing these things would be good. A comment saying we are still committed to dong these things and we currently intend a new race and revamped Ilum by end 2013 but SSSP will be 2014 at the earliest would be even better.

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Fornix
12.24.2012 , 08:02 AM | #34
Quote: Originally Posted by darklordpotter View Post
A comment saying we are still committed to doing these things would be good. A comment saying we are still committed to dong these things and we currently intend a new race and revamped Ilum by end 2013 but SSSP will be 2014 at the earliest would be even better.
They have already stated that Ilum revised will be one of the things for the first half of 2013, that the SSSP would be something for the long term and that as a new race Cathar is in the works.
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opriv
12.24.2012 , 08:27 AM | #35
Here is what I had assumed. They were stringing us along by breaking up finished content, so they could release a huge expansion that was in the works.

I no longer assume this. This mini expansion tells me that there IS NO MAJOR expansion coming in 2013. I could be wrong. I would love for Bioware to prove me wrong.

Sadly, I have to withhold my money from them till they prove otherwise.
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Shwarzchild
12.24.2012 , 08:35 AM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by Fornix View Post
The EA shareholder conferences also give a good deal of information and a general idea of the direction. However, keep in mind that SWTOR is just a small element of the bigger EA picture. Just like Amazon will not always be completely focussed on for example just their Amazon Web Services but also discuss their other products the EA financial meetings will not only be about SWTOR.

Moreover, just like Amazon doesn't disclose all of its plans on their public discussion boards, EA/BioWare isn't going to disclose all of their plans on the discussion boards.

Don't forget, you may be a subscriber, you may be a customer, but most of us are not a shareholder (unless you actually have EA stock obviously).
You are definitely correct. My main point was that it was possible to allow this game's followers an idea of what the future can hold without giving away too much, and without making their customers feel somewhat out in the cold. Being a subscriber, or customer has very little to do with the ability of the company to communicate. But, I can see both ends. Why would they want to communicate when they receive such negativity regardless. A no win situation for sure. At least in the present construction of community to company

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Fornix
12.24.2012 , 08:47 AM | #37
Quote: Originally Posted by Shwarzchild View Post
You are definitely correct. My main point was that it was possible to allow this game's followers an idea of what the future can hold without giving away too much, and without making their customers feel somewhat out in the cold. Being a subscriber, or customer has very little to do with the ability of the company to communicate. But, I can see both ends. Why would they want to communicate when they receive such negativity regardless. A no win situation for sure. At least in the present construction of community to company
The thing is, they do communicate. Pretty much all what is disclosed during the financial calls, also is released to us bit by bit.

However, personally I fail to see the need for them to keep repeating themselves, when it's already answered. And the forum is simply filled with things such as these:

Quote: Originally Posted by darklordpotter View Post
A comment saying we are still committed to doing these things would be good. A comment saying we are still committed to dong these things and we currently intend a new race and revamped Ilum by end 2013 but SSSP will be 2014 at the earliest would be even better.
That's all concerns which have been previously addressed. They keep on getting repeated. Without change in the situation, there's nothing more to add to that really. However, the community fails to grasp that. And if they get no response, they're upset, and in case the message does get copied, they're still upset even though they got a response..

Fact is, many players aren't looking for a response, they're looking for an answer to their liking. Something which is much less likely going to happen on these forums. Just wait for the next financial meeting, major gaming convention, etc.
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Shingara
12.24.2012 , 08:53 AM | #38
Its not just a lack of response thats bad, half if not all of the posts talking about the previous talks over makeb from people like james ohlen are being systematicly removed, and posts that are not so shining about makeb and how its being handled are being edited and re-arainged to the degree of posts from one topic moved into another or simply removing some posts whilst editing the quotes out but leaving the replys so it looks like people arnt bothered.
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Avengerfx
12.24.2012 , 08:55 AM | #39
Quote: Originally Posted by Laris_Rai View Post
Maybe there's no ETA because...there's no ETA and if they give one and end up missing it people will howl. BioWare got burned on this before so I can see why they'd not what to say ANYTHING until something is a done deal. Live with it.
Well my friend this is what I made this post for in the beginning. People WANT to know what is being worked on, and they want to know far more than when its going to be released. We want to know they actually are making it a priority and that we will see it eventually. The problem with what you're saying is that when they simply don't release information at all, people just start to feel like whatever issue that is, isn't important to them. And people will deal with it, for a time. However at a certain point...months of no information, that's how people end up leaving the game.

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darklordpotter
12.24.2012 , 09:00 AM | #40
Quote: Originally Posted by Fornix View Post
They have already stated that Ilum revised will be one of the things for the first half of 2013, that the SSSP would be something for the long term and that as a new race Cathar is in the works.
Wouldn't have bothered but as you keep using it. "long term" means what not before end of 2013? not before end of 2014? - you don't know and neither do I. Heck there is a serious discussion in another thread about whether it is still happening at all. Ilum I'll concede I missed (probably because I don't pvp) and "in the works" is even more useless than "long term". What I was asking for is a rough (very rough) +/- year date not "long term"