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I'm feeling Nickel and Dimed by Makeb

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I'm feeling Nickel and Dimed by Makeb

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Sharrux
12.23.2012 , 09:25 AM | #121
My household has 4 paid accounts. We have all played since the game went live, and after a year I can say that all of us think that paying for this upcoming "update" (lets be honest its not a Expansion) is a insult to people that kept paying a monthly fee. I do not mind paying a monthly fee for 4 accounts. We enjoy playing togather and have fun, but come on now I will have to pay everytime Bioware decides to dribble out more content?
It feels like being spit on and being told its good for me. I think if as a subscriber if I need to pay for more content in small amounts its time to find another game for the family to play.

I totally agree that this just isn't right. Its what subscribers pay for. Calling it an expansion doesn't make it one.

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Arkerus
12.23.2012 , 09:27 AM | #122
Quote: Originally Posted by Sharrux View Post
My household has 4 paid accounts. We have all played since the game went live, and after a year I can say that all of us think that paying for this upcoming "update" (lets be honest its not a Expansion) is a insult to people that kept paying a monthly fee. I do not mind paying a monthly fee for 4 accounts. We enjoy playing togather and have fun, but come on now I will have to pay everytime Bioware decides to dribble out more content?
It feels like being spit on and being told its good for me. I think if as a subscriber if I need to pay for more content in small amounts its time to find another game for the family to play.

I totally agree that this just isn't right. Its what subscribers pay for. Calling it an expansion doesn't make it one.
What if they took the original makeb "data", added new areas, added level increases, added a FP/WZ/OP and some other misc things. What if the new Makeb doesn't even look like the original leaked data (save the map design, ect).
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darklordpotter
12.23.2012 , 09:29 AM | #123
Quote: Originally Posted by Arkerus View Post
What if they took the original makeb "data", added new areas, added level increases, added a FP/WZ/OP and some other misc things. What if the new Makeb doesn't even look like the original leaked data (save the map design, ect).
Got any evidence they did any of those things? If not why say it?

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Shingara
12.23.2012 , 09:29 AM | #124
Quote: Originally Posted by Arkerus View Post
What if they took the original makeb "data", added new areas, added level increases, added a FP/WZ/OP and some other misc things. What if the new Makeb doesn't even look like the original leaked data (save the map design, ect).
What if they took makeb, added 9000 square meters of ingame land, gave us player housing and and let us build our own towns, then we could all do a special mission that let us play yoda, travel forward in time, slap anakin, jump back and thats the real reason he turned to the dark side.

What if, what if, what if, what if..............................

What if they make a content patch but we have a greedy person in charge who no longer has oversight on him whom he answers too, sees a quick buck and charges for a content patch, leaves no info about it and goes and hides while the forums explode and let some poor csr take all the flack and anger as if its her fault.
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First, you can continue as a subscriber, which gives you unlimited access to all game features and future Game Updates at no additional charge. http://www.swtor.com/info/news/blog/20120731

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Vlad_Dracul_
12.23.2012 , 09:31 AM | #125
First of all, I am not angry because of 10 bucks. As i said many times before, its like two package of cigarettes or one lunch for me.

BUT, i have questions:

1) Why the hell i cant buy it by CARTEL COINS? Cause it would be technically free for subs, saving complimentary coins? A little insulting to loyal customers, i think.

2) Some people using TIMECARDS, because they dont have credit cards, or they simply dont want internet banking. Why i can't pay something there by days from timecards, what is technically SAME pack of money?

3) I cant buy PHYSICAL expansion. I know, 1 planet and 5 lvls isnt much worth to do physical packages for real shops, but its better than push people to only one way to give you money.

IMO best thing you can do, Bioware people, is allowing people to buy this 'expansion' by your precious super nice new Cartel Coins. after whole circus about F2P and cartel coins.

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Arkerus
12.23.2012 , 09:33 AM | #126
Quote: Originally Posted by darklordpotter View Post
Got any evidence they did any of those things? If not why say it?
I don't, nor am I required to provide any. I am waiting for more details on the expanion to emerge. If its substantial then I don't think anyone has anything to complain about.

If sites like TORHEAD or Dulfy confirm its the exact same stuff then go ahead, complain. I reserve judgement for the final product.

I will say this though, the original Makeb data didn't include a level cap increase. They obviously had to go back and retool the planet for level changes. We know they are working on it. I highly doubt everyone is just sitting around, drinking coffee, laughing at the forums.
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Nitblade
12.23.2012 , 11:21 AM | #127
Quote: Originally Posted by errant_knight View Post
Do other games really give out expansions for free? That's not what I'd expect. My assumption was that I was playing a subscription to log onto the servers and play the existing game, not everything they ever add to it forever. That seems like a financially untenable idea, especially considering the amount of story and voice acting it will contain if it's anything like existing planets. If people want new story, which most do, they're going to have to pay for it's creation.
I played Lineage 2 for a few years and while I played i got 7 Major expansions for only the cost of my monthly subscription. We are/have paid that expansion already every single subscriber of the game since launch. Makeb was in development pretty much since launch, that is a very long time, then dumped on the back burner for the Cartel Cash cow, and is now months later then should have been (should have hit autumn 2012 not spring 2013)

It ain't the 10$, it's the continued broken promises
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Anti_Bodies
12.23.2012 , 12:48 PM | #128
Quote: Originally Posted by Vlad_Dracul_ View Post
First of all, I am not angry because of 10 bucks. As i said many times before, its like two package of cigarettes or one lunch for me.

BUT, i have questions:

1) Why the hell i cant buy it by CARTEL COINS? Cause it would be technically free for subs, saving complimentary coins? A little insulting to loyal customers, i think.

2) Some people using TIMECARDS, because they dont have credit cards, or they simply dont want internet banking. Why i can't pay something there by days from timecards, what is technically SAME pack of money?

3) I cant buy PHYSICAL expansion. I know, 1 planet and 5 lvls isnt much worth to do physical packages for real shops, but its better than push people to only one way to give you money.

IMO best thing you can do, Bioware people, is allowing people to buy this 'expansion' by your precious super nice new Cartel Coins. after whole circus about F2P and cartel coins.
1. They don't want people using CC because that is for digital items wheras if they make it cash only they can directly get the money. In other words, they don't lose anything when people buy from cartel market but they do lose a direct $10 if people use their complimentary coins on it. Kind of hard to explain but I hope you get it from their side even if it seems like a rip.

2. With physical expansions money has to go to manufactuers and retail stores. Typically when a company sells an x-box game for example, for $60, they only make something like $5-15 profit on it, assuming they sell enough to make a profit.

In addition, they are discounting it for subs but their wouldn't be anyway to do that in store. It's more like DLC then a real expansion anyway. If it was a $40 expo I might expect to see it in stores.

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Trevalon
12.23.2012 , 02:04 PM | #129
Quote: Originally Posted by Anti_Bodies;5625751

1. They don't want people using CC because that is for digital items wheras if they make it cash only they can directly get the money. In other words, they don't lose anything when people buy from cartel market but they do lose a direct $10 if people use their complimentary coins on it. Kind of hard to explain but I hope you get it from their side even if it seems like a rip.
This is a ridiculous answer. Thats like getting a giftcard to best buy and going to get a game only to get the the register and they tell you you cant use your gift card on said game. No one does this...not one single company in the entire world. Cartel coins are a MONETARY item, you pay RL money for those coins - to not honor them as real life money (as they are not with this xpac) is completely unethical imo. Also considering every other cash shop MMO in existence allows people to buy xpacs with their games cash means that SWTOR is completely outside the normal for this and it makes them look even worse.

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mothear
12.23.2012 , 02:09 PM | #130
Quote: Originally Posted by Trevalon View Post
This is a ridiculous answer. Thats like getting a giftcard to best buy and going to get a game only to get the the register and they tell you you cant use your gift card on said game. No one does this...not one single company in the entire world. Cartel coins are a MONETARY item, you pay RL money for those coins - to not honor them as real life money (as they are not with this xpac) is completely unethical imo. Also considering every other cash shop MMO in existence allows people to buy xpacs with their games cash means that SWTOR is completely outside the normal for this and it makes them look even worse.
IMO it's so that they can pad the December quarterly figures, no other reason.