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I'm feeling Nickel and Dimed by Makeb

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I'm feeling Nickel and Dimed by Makeb

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Shingara
12.23.2012 , 05:00 AM | #111
Quote: Originally Posted by Grayseven View Post
No, they said they weren't sure if Makeb was going to be free. This was when they also weren't sure if it would be "the largest content update ever" or if it would be made into an expansion.

And this isn't an update, it is an expansion. Every game company in existence charges for expansions.

Quit whining. If you want it, buy it. If you don't, don't. The constant wailing of people who think everything in life should be free is ridiculous. Companies exist to make money, not give you stuff because you think you deserve it. Get over it and either pay for it or quit playing and go find another game that is going to charge you three times as much for every expansion and put them out at much longer intervals.
No they said it was a free content update, the doctors left and then hickman changed it to we arnt sure and the 1st time we heard about subs having to pay for it was when they put it up for pre order, so we didnt even get told by hickman subs would pay for it, he just threw the price at us and ran away.
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Katsuragisama
12.23.2012 , 06:18 AM | #112
Quote: Originally Posted by Anti_Bodies View Post
[snip]

We know that
  • no new companion content
  • no new class story content
  • It's 1 planet similar to other large ones w/ heroics

They have touted the planet, level 55, new gear, but not
  • new flash points
  • new ops
  • new WZ
  • open world PVP

If they were gonna offer a bunch of new stuff to validate this being an expansion opposed to DLC (which again, subs should not pay for DLC, only expansions) they would have presented some sort of information on it.
Which means either:

It's not coming, or they're making it up as they go along. Either way it doesnt bode well for the quality aspect of this "expansion". I'd actually bet on they're making it up as they go along. Hurray, more bugs!
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Shingara
12.23.2012 , 06:28 AM | #113
ye thats why i said i see them putting in a nightmare level for flashpoints.
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mothear
12.23.2012 , 06:35 AM | #114
Quote: Originally Posted by Shingara View Post
ye thats why i said i see them putting in a nightmare level for flashpoints.
It does seem the 'cheapest' option, however I would prefer that they leave existing FP's alone and introduce new ones.

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Shingara
12.23.2012 , 06:38 AM | #115
Quote: Originally Posted by mothear View Post
It does seem the 'cheapest' option, however I would prefer that they leave existing FP's alone and introduce new ones.
yes but we all realise hickam is in charge so if wishes were fishes none of us would starve. Im starting to come to the understanding that we set the bar very very very low, see what will take the least dev work to complete and start there, anything above is a bonus and if we cross our fingers really tight they might not be bugged out when we do the missions.
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Leokul
12.23.2012 , 07:10 AM | #116
I would like to point out; regardless of what is actually released with the initial Rise of the Hutt Cartel expansion pack, no-one ever said that was the end of the deal and that's all you get.

Bioware has been slowly but steadily adding content: Flashpoints, Warzones, Operations, Daily Areas, the Legacy System and Free to Play throughout the year without expecting payments beyond the initial subscription fee. (My opinion is that the the Cartel Market is really just a convenience/vanity add-on right now)

No doubt level 51-55 versions of the same will materialise throughout next year, as well as the same continued support and content for everything before level 50, it's not like the company will (or actually could) forget about those players that haven't or won't pay for the Rise of the Hutt Cartel content.

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Shingara
12.23.2012 , 07:12 AM | #117
Quote: Originally Posted by Leokul View Post
I would like to point out; regardless of what is actually released with the initial Rise of the Hutt Cartel expansion pack, no-one ever said that was the end of the deal and that's all you get.

Bioware has been slowly but steadily adding content: Flashpoints, Warzones, Operations, Daily Areas, the Legacy System and Free to Play throughout the year without expecting payments beyond the initial subscription fee. (My opinion is that the the Cartel Market is really just a convenience/vanity add-on right now)

No doubt level 51-55 versions of the same will materialise throughout next year, as well as the same continued support and content for everything before level 50, it's not like the company will (or actually could) forget about those players that haven't or won't pay for the Rise of the Hutt Cartel content.
well hell, here is me thinking that the 2.3 mil box sales not counting digital and the subscriptions paid for that, who would have thought that an mmo company could impliment new flashpoints and operations, daily areas and things that should have been in the game before launch with subscriptions alone.

And do you honestly think they are going to create new lvl 50 operations and flashpoints or daily areas for lvl 50 when the game is set at lvl 55.
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mothear
12.23.2012 , 07:15 AM | #118
Quote: Originally Posted by Leokul View Post
I would like to point out; regardless of what is actually released with the initial Rise of the Hutt Cartel expansion pack, no-one ever said that was the end of the deal and that's all you get.

Bioware has been slowly but steadily adding content: Flashpoints, Warzones, Operations, Daily Areas, the Legacy System and Free to Play throughout the year without expecting payments beyond the initial subscription fee. (My opinion is that the the Cartel Market is really just a convenience/vanity add-on right now)

No doubt level 51-55 versions of the same will materialise throughout next year, as well as the same continued support and content for everything before level 50, it's not like the company will (or actually could) forget about those players that haven't or won't pay for the Rise of the Hutt Cartel content.
I hope you are correct, however all physical PVE content released since live i.e. not legacy and GF, has been geared towards end game. This seems fairly standard in MMO's I've played. I would not be surprised to see this continue and those that do not buy the expansion being locked out of future content releases.

Hope I'm wrong.

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Leokul
12.23.2012 , 08:26 AM | #119
Quote: Originally Posted by mothear View Post
I hope you are correct, however all physical PVE content released since live i.e. not legacy and GF, has been geared towards end game. This seems fairly standard in MMO's I've played. I would not be surprised to see this continue and those that do not buy the expansion being locked out of future content releases.

Hope I'm wrong.
Yes, unfortunately you are likely correct; any new content additions will be geared towards level 51+.

However, my original point still stands; just because an expansion for an MMO gets released with a limited volume of content (which is presumptive at best since no-one actually knows yet exactly how much is coming at the time of release), does not mean that's all it gets until the next named "major" expansion;
For instance: Wrath of the Lich King was released in 2008, but was continually supported with additional quest content right up until 2010 when Cataclysm came out (Icecrown Citadel and the fall of Arthas didn't actually get released until mid 2009)

Also, just because we're seeing "only one" new planet and no new class story arcs yet, does not necessarily mean that they might not enhance the existing planets with higher level instanced areas further down the line. (which lock out the lower level characters as mentioned)

That is optimistic though, it is my feeling that the 8 class story arcs have probably been finished for the moment, since the time and expense required for the continuation of 8 separate story arcs (in addition to the factional zone quests) would likely be bundled in with considerably more than just one planet.

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Exilim
12.23.2012 , 09:02 AM | #120
I just wish they were a bit more forthcoming about what will come featured with this expansion. I pre-ordered anyways though without regrets.
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