Please upgrade your browser for the best possible experience.

Chrome Firefox Internet Explorer
×

I'm feeling Nickel and Dimed by Makeb

STAR WARS: The Old Republic > English > General Discussion
I'm feeling Nickel and Dimed by Makeb
Reply

Page 11 of 47 « First < 9 10 11 12 13 21 > Last »

Shingara's Avatar


Shingara
12.22.2012 , 09:53 PM | #101
crazy, we have been told there is no class story in this.
Health Warning - Thread May Contain Nuts.
First, you can continue as a subscriber, which gives you unlimited access to all game features and future Game Updates at no additional charge. http://www.swtor.com/info/news/blog/20120731

CrazyOldMystic's Avatar


CrazyOldMystic
12.22.2012 , 09:58 PM | #102
I was unaware of that, I have been looking for new announcements on this new expansion, but I did not see any new news about it on the home page. Where did they announce this? I would like to take a look.

Shingara's Avatar


Shingara
12.22.2012 , 10:00 PM | #103
they are in the dev tracker, think there are about 3 of them.
Health Warning - Thread May Contain Nuts.
First, you can continue as a subscriber, which gives you unlimited access to all game features and future Game Updates at no additional charge. http://www.swtor.com/info/news/blog/20120731

Lord_of_Mu's Avatar


Lord_of_Mu
12.22.2012 , 11:19 PM | #104
I won't until the expansion has been released. This expansion will set the benchmark for me and I'll be weighing all future purchases on quality and quantity of contented provided in Rise of the Hutt Cartel.

Eillack's Avatar


Eillack
12.23.2012 , 12:23 AM | #105
I 100% agree with you OP.

Smashbrother's Avatar


Smashbrother
12.23.2012 , 12:41 AM | #106
Quote: Originally Posted by Draloch View Post
-

Every couple years, I expect an expansion that significantly updates the game. In SWTOR I would expecte a full rework of all classes so they play different and the game legitimately feels updated. I would expect a full Act 4 including a minimum of 3 Voss/Belsavis/Corelia sized planets, a class story that progresses through each planet for all 8 base classes, and some evolution of my relationship with my companions. I would also expect to see at least a couple new flashpoints, and at least 1 new tier of operations. I would pay 40 dollars for this. I also wouldn't expect this to happen this year. It would be a 2014 thing.

This is the business model that I'm comfortable with.

***? You're fine with paying $40 for an expansion which would have 3 or so planets, but not $10 for one planet? You make no sense.

Makeb is increasing level cap. With higher level always comes new skills/talents. This is going to change how classes work.

Anti_Bodies's Avatar


Anti_Bodies
12.23.2012 , 12:44 AM | #107
Quote: Originally Posted by Draloch View Post
I've been having a generally negative feeling all week about the announcement to charge for the next content update. I'm someone who has kind of grown up with the subscription model. The business model that I'm used to has me paying 15 dollars a month for a game to play, including regular content updates including solo content, open world group content, minor gameply updates -I'm not talking about bugs-, and raiding updates.

I want to be careful to say that I'm not being critical of the Makeb content update. I think you guys have done a fine job of releasing new content on a timely scale. If not for the Nickel and Dime aspect, I would be energized and excited about a nice planet to play next spring.

Every couple years, I expect an expansion that significantly updates the game. In SWTOR I would expecte a full rework of all classes so they play different and the game legitimately feels updated. I would expect a full Act 4 including a minimum of 3 Voss/Belsavis/Corelia sized planets, a class story that progresses through each planet for all 8 base classes, and some evolution of my relationship with my companions. I would also expect to see at least a couple new flashpoints, and at least 1 new tier of operations. I would pay 40 dollars for this. I also wouldn't expect this to happen this year. It would be a 2014 thing.

This is the business model that I'm comfortable with.

Instead, in a few months, I'm going to be asked to pay additional money to download a content patch hidden behind a paywall. If I don't pay, then I don't get to continue playing endgame content. It feels wrong and it makes me wonder if this is going to be the new normal for SWTOR. If it is, then does that mean I shouldn't ever expect to see a big expansion that reworks all the classes and makes the game feel fresh again? Should I never expect to have months of new class stories to discover? Will there even be an Act 4? How many times will I have to plunk down 10 dollar bills for content updates in addition to my 15 dollars a month I already pay before I see a real expansion?

I've kind of been feeling crappy all week about this announcement and I haven't been sure how to word it. I'm not going to pre-order the patch and hopefully, my opinion will evolve as more information comes out.

Regardless, I realize that when this content is released, I will be making a final decision to accept the new "pay us 10 bucks when we tell you to" business model or leave the game I enjoy playing forever.

That is, unless the business team behind the game changes their mind and offers the patch for free to subscribers.
Fantastic post - sums up everything in an articulate enough fashion. This feels more like DLC then an expansion, and DLC's in an mmo are supposed to be free with the subscription while expansions are paid addons.

Quote: Originally Posted by Theguffin View Post
one point to make. this is a Free to Play game. So being that it is free 2 play, the expansion should be free 2 play. Just fits the marketing scheme. Now this is some hybrid payment thing.
No, subs should get it and F2P players should have to pay for it. Subs are paying $15 a month for DLC/servers/full game, this is DLC. F2O players don't have to pay anything. Sorta feels like you think you are entitled to free stuff?

Quote: Originally Posted by bibobpipop View Post
The fun thing is:


NOBODY outside of Bioware knows how big Rise of the Hutt-Cartel will be in content except that it brings the lvl-cap-increase and Makeb as planet, yet pretty much EVERYBODY seems to know it won't be worth 15 $.....

So....uh...do you guys have a magic glass-ball or a pimped Maya-calendar that tells you the future or something?


What happened to the good old "we wait till we have ALL the infos, then think about it, then praise / complain" ?


Oh, right, it's alot easier to directly say "i have no idea how many hours of playtime i'll get for those 15$, but in no way it'll be worth 15$, gotta grab my torch and pitchfork"
We know that
  • no new companion content
  • no new class story content
  • It's 1 planet similar to other large ones w/ heroics

They have touted the planet, level 55, new gear, but not
  • new flash points
  • new ops
  • new WZ
  • open world PVP

If they were gonna offer a bunch of new stuff to validate this being an expansion opposed to DLC (which again, subs should not pay for DLC, only expansions) they would have presented some sort of information on it.

Durasturan's Avatar


Durasturan
12.23.2012 , 02:02 AM | #108
Quote: Originally Posted by Smashbrother View Post
***? You're fine with paying $40 for an expansion which would have 3 or so planets, but not $10 for one planet? You make no sense.

Makeb is increasing level cap. With higher level always comes new skills/talents. This is going to change how classes work.
No, I think you're missing the point. Most "$40 expansions" come with nearly as much content as the original came. Look at WotLK, Cata, MoP. Look at DDO and Rift.

For forty dollars you're getting an area worth about 4-5 planets. But you're also getting, new class, new race, new story, new quests, new level cap and abilities, 2 new warzones, 2 new arenas, new profession, 6 new flashpoints and 3 new raids. Plus new tiers of PVP and PVE. Look at how much time it's going to take you to go through all that. The leveling maybe 3 or 4 days. The flashpoints maybe a week. The raids, for full clears? Maybe a month. And the new warzones would add a very nice bit of variety to a bland of boring PVP environment. You get T HAT for $40.

Let's assume the planet is monstrous, that it's the size of 4-5 planets in game right now. There's absolutely every reason to believe it WONT be, they flat out verbatim said it's the size of one of the largest planets, not even the largest lol.

You're still not getting all the extra pve content, and nont of the pvp content, you know the stuff that's actually going to keep you busy? See once you've done the quests, bam, done, over with. Sure there might be a daily zone, but that's really not much and who likes running dailies? The new warzones, flashpoints and raids are going to be what add real variety to the game because they're the stuff that won't be "ok done now i actually can never play this again..." kind of thing.

Also, since it's faction quests, not class quests, there's not even any point to playing through the content on your alts really at all...

So yeah, the difference is between 19.99 or 9.99 for subs and 39.99 or 19.99 for MoP. It's only $20 now and it came with about 10x more content. And RIGHT NOW it's the exact same price. At release was it twice as much? Sure, but it easily came with 10x more content so most people were fine paying 40.00...

Grayseven's Avatar


Grayseven
12.23.2012 , 02:07 AM | #109
Quote: Originally Posted by Suzina View Post
I agree. It was said to be free before.


-my negative post for the day.
No, they said they weren't sure if Makeb was going to be free. This was when they also weren't sure if it would be "the largest content update ever" or if it would be made into an expansion.

And this isn't an update, it is an expansion. Every game company in existence charges for expansions.

Quit whining. If you want it, buy it. If you don't, don't. The constant wailing of people who think everything in life should be free is ridiculous. Companies exist to make money, not give you stuff because you think you deserve it. Get over it and either pay for it or quit playing and go find another game that is going to charge you three times as much for every expansion and put them out at much longer intervals.
"50 Grades of Shae", a heart-warming novel about a Mandalorian that delivers beat-downs and assigns grades to her victims.

Goretzu's Avatar


Goretzu
12.23.2012 , 03:05 AM | #110
Quote: Originally Posted by CrazyOldMystic View Post
I was unaware of that, I have been looking for new announcements on this new expansion, but I did not see any new news about it on the home page. Where did they announce this? I would like to take a look.
Yeah there is no "class story", there may be something called "Ch4", but in reality it is simply a Planet Story (i.e. exactly the same for each faction with any class).
Real Star Wars space combat please, not Star Wars Fox! Maybe some PvP and flight too?
Goretzu's Law: As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving "Entitled" approaches 1
Page 11 of 47 « First < 9 10 11 12 13 21 > Last »

Reply
STAR WARS: The Old Republic > English > General Discussion
Terms Archive | Privacy Policy | Terms of Service | FAQ | EUALA | Rules of Conduct | Online Safety | Contact Us
LucasArts, the LucasArts logo, STAR WARS and related properties are trademarks in the United States and/or in other countries of Lucasfilm Ltd. and/or its affiliates. © 2011-2012 Lucasfilm Entertainment Company Ltd. or Lucasfilm Ltd. All rights reserved. BioWare and the BioWare logo are trademarks of EA International (Studio and Publishing) Ltd. EA and the EA logo are trademarks of Electronic Arts Inc. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners.