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MasterMe
12.22.2012 , 11:06 AM | #91
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling View Post
I must say I agree with Wolfninjajedi here, petty crime lord is probably the wrong term. I suspect this is the typical Force > Non-force argument however, which is a credible argument in most situations but I feel things may be different here... but lets hold the debate for when in comes.

If by when you mean when will the Heats start then probably after the Christmas period which is kinda busy - probably the 27th Decemeber, Tuesday next week.
I would appreciate it if you started this stuff AFTER the holidays seeing as how I will be very busy during them. But it's your call. I just might not be present for a few of the debates.

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MasterMe
12.22.2012 , 11:06 AM | #92
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling View Post
I didn't think I'd have to deal with such unpleasantness but here goes:

May I first say that my idea of who the winner would be was by no means decided before the debate had begun as the whole purpose of the installment was to determine who the victor would be during the battle. And my decision was not made until the very end. You may think otherwise as I seemed to support the Sith Empire the whole way through. But the fact is I always support the underrepresented or the underestimated which I feel it is my duty as Arbiter to keep the debate fair. In this case the Galactic Empire had more than competent debaters, such as Rayla, Aurbere and Wolfninjajedi, supporting it, while the Sith Empire did not have so many. So I chose to bring to light several points that the minority party may have overlooked. This is how I conduct all debates, go look back on previous installments (that is not rhetorical, please do). In every debate I take the side of, not who I think will necessarily win, but who lacks the most support. Such as Traya in the Traya vs Revan thread, as Revan had the overwhelming support of the Revan fanbois (if you excuse the term). And in Exar Kun vs Mandalore I supported Mandalore, despite believing that Exar Kun would win. What you are saying is by no means true and I hope in future debates other people can understand this.

I respect the fact that you have an opinion, that you think is the correct one, and I understand that not everyone is going to be pleased with the outcome. However when you begin imposing your opinion on others, and dismissing their own as 'ridiculous' and a 'joke' it becomes down right nasty. I highly doubt they are very impressed and most likely rather insulted by your comments, so I ask that you refrain from doing so, thank you.
*applauds*

And that, class, is how you annihilate a troll.

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Beniboybling
12.22.2012 , 11:08 AM | #93
Quote: Originally Posted by MasterMe View Post
I would appreciate it if you started this stuff AFTER the holidays seeing as how I will be very busy during them. But it's your call. I just might not be present for a few of the debates.
Perhaps I'll premiere this on the 1st of January, just so we can all have a cool down period over the Christmas Holidays after non-stop debating
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*applauds*

And that, class, is how you annihilate a troll.
Thankyou *bows* Its good to see someones on my side

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konstadinosblue
12.22.2012 , 12:58 PM | #94
Quote: Originally Posted by MasterMe View Post
*applauds*

And that, class, is how you annihilate a troll.
(LOL)It's been our pleasure to learn,Master *laughs*
Ahsoka: "Well, you want the bad news, or the really bad news?"
Obi-Wan: "Well, let's try the bad news laced with a little optimism."
―Ahsoka Tano and Obi-Wan Kenobi, attempting to flee from Mortis

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MasterMe
12.22.2012 , 05:25 PM | #95
Alright I'm gonna update my picks (I'll bet y'all some virtual cookies ):

1st - Darth Revan (why not? let's do this!) - close battle for first - I'm still conflicted
2nd - Exar Kun
3rd - G0-T0
4th - Darth Traya

I like Malgus a lot, but I feel that his match up with Xizor is just not gonna play to Malgus's strengths.

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SoonerJBD
12.22.2012 , 10:16 PM | #96
Quote: Originally Posted by MasterMe View Post
*applauds*

And that, class, is how you annihilate a troll.
Disagreeing with someone strongly is not trolling. A troll is someone who says something controversial just to rile people up. Please learn these terms before you use them.

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SoonerJBD
12.22.2012 , 10:28 PM | #97
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling View Post
I didn't think I'd have to deal with such unpleasantness but here goes:

May I first say that my idea of who the winner would be was by no means decided before the debate had begun as the whole purpose of the installment was to determine who the victor would be during the battle. And my decision was not made until the very end. You may think otherwise as I seemed to support the Sith Empire the whole way through. But the fact is I always support the underrepresented or the underestimated which I feel it is my duty as Arbiter to keep the debate fair. In this case the Galactic Empire had more than competent debaters, such as Rayla, Aurbere and Wolfninjajedi, supporting it, while the Sith Empire did not have so many. So I chose to bring to light several points that the minority party may have overlooked. This is how I conduct all debates, go look back on previous installments (that is not rhetorical, please do). In every debate I take the side of, not who I think will necessarily win, but who lacks the most support. Such as Traya in the Traya vs Revan thread, as Revan had the overwhelming support of the Revan fanbois (if you excuse the term). And in Exar Kun vs Mandalore I supported Mandalore, despite believing that Exar Kun would win. What you are saying is by no means true and I hope in future debates other people can understand this.

I respect the fact that you have an opinion, that you think is the correct one, and I understand that not everyone is going to be pleased with the outcome. However when you begin imposing your opinion on others, and dismissing their own as 'ridiculous' and a 'joke' it becomes down right nasty. I highly doubt they are very impressed and most likely rather insulted by your comments, so I ask that you refrain from doing so, thank you.
You absolutely decided Vitiate would win before you started the thread. You also made up your mind ahead of time on the Revan vs. Traya debate. And you were not arguing for the underdog in that debate. All of the strong, regular debaters on this forum were arguing for Traya in that thread.

Look, I don't begrudge you your opinion. I just don't like it when you pretend that you are scoring arguments based on their merit when you are actually just handing more points to the argument you preferred from the start. You picked Vitiate because you were biased from the beginning, not because of any convincing arguments. This was billed as a battle of power bases. Sidious' power base is an order of magnitude stronger than Vitiate's. That's not a question of opinion. It's canon fact. On top of that, there wasn't a single plausible scenario offered for how Sidious could have been killed. I disagreed with you on the Revan v. Traya debate, and I thought you clearly made your mind up before the thread, but it wasn't egregious like this. There is simply no plausible way Vitiate's Sith Empire defeats the most powerful Sith ever and the most powerful Sith-led Empire ever. You are entitled to your opinion. But when you start a series of threads and claim you are an unbiased scorekeeper, then give the victory to the obviously weaker side simply because it was the one you preferred from the start, you make a "joke" out of the premise.

Nobody is unbiased. You clearly have an idea in your head of who would win these matchups before the debate starts, as does everyone else involved. So stop pretending your decisions are based on some sort of scoring on the merits of the discussion when they clearly are not.

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Beniboybling
12.23.2012 , 05:52 AM | #98
Quote: Originally Posted by SoonerJBD View Post
You absolutely decided Vitiate would win before you started the thread. You also made up your mind ahead of time on the Revan vs. Traya debate. And you were not arguing for the underdog in that debate. All of the strong, regular debaters on this forum were arguing for Traya in that thread.

Look, I don't begrudge you your opinion. I just don't like it when you pretend that you are scoring arguments based on their merit when you are actually just handing more points to the argument you preferred from the start. You picked Vitiate because you were biased from the beginning, not because of any convincing arguments. This was billed as a battle of power bases. Sidious' power base is an order of magnitude stronger than Vitiate's. That's not a question of opinion. It's canon fact. On top of that, there wasn't a single plausible scenario offered for how Sidious could have been killed. I disagreed with you on the Revan v. Traya debate, and I thought you clearly made your mind up before the thread, but it wasn't egregious like this. There is simply no plausible way Vitiate's Sith Empire defeats the most powerful Sith ever and the most powerful Sith-led Empire ever. You are entitled to your opinion. But when you start a series of threads and claim you are an unbiased scorekeeper, then give the victory to the obviously weaker side simply because it was the one you preferred from the start, you make a "joke" out of the premise.

Nobody is unbiased. You clearly have an idea in your head of who would win these matchups before the debate starts, as does everyone else involved. So stop pretending your decisions are based on some sort of scoring on the merits of the discussion when they clearly are not.
Your making assumptions here, so there is no point arguing. If you believe I'm biased in every battle, and I make my mind up before the battle even starts, then fine. But don't expect me to apologise for something that isn't true.

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MasterMe
12.23.2012 , 07:58 AM | #99
Quote: Originally Posted by SoonerJBD View Post
You absolutely decided Vitiate would win before you started the thread. You also made up your mind ahead of time on the Revan vs. Traya debate. And you were not arguing for the underdog in that debate. All of the strong, regular debaters on this forum were arguing for Traya in that thread.

Look, I don't begrudge you your opinion. I just don't like it when you pretend that you are scoring arguments based on their merit when you are actually just handing more points to the argument you preferred from the start. You picked Vitiate because you were biased from the beginning, not because of any convincing arguments. This was billed as a battle of power bases. Sidious' power base is an order of magnitude stronger than Vitiate's. That's not a question of opinion. It's canon fact. On top of that, there wasn't a single plausible scenario offered for how Sidious could have been killed. I disagreed with you on the Revan v. Traya debate, and I thought you clearly made your mind up before the thread, but it wasn't egregious like this. There is simply no plausible way Vitiate's Sith Empire defeats the most powerful Sith ever and the most powerful Sith-led Empire ever. You are entitled to your opinion. But when you start a series of threads and claim you are an unbiased scorekeeper, then give the victory to the obviously weaker side simply because it was the one you preferred from the start, you make a "joke" out of the premise.

Nobody is unbiased. You clearly have an idea in your head of who would win these matchups before the debate starts, as does everyone else involved. So stop pretending your decisions are based on some sort of scoring on the merits of the discussion when they clearly are not.
Sure everybody is biased to an extent. We're never gonna be able to get away from that. I also believe that there was a little bit of biased-judging going on in the Traya vs Revan Kaggath, perhaps the Vitiate vs Sidious one too. But both sides to both of those arguments were full of debaters who made excellent points. Those battles could have gone either way. Like you said: everybody is biased. This does not exclude Beni. Take a look at youself. Put youself in Beni's shoes. Who do you think would have won? Obviously you would have thought Sidious. Then guess what? You would have been picking him from the start and would have "made up your mind" before the Kaggath had started. You would have also been a biased judge. So would I.

But I don't know why it is so hard for you to believe that we (people arguing for Vitaite) made a convincing argument. Accept it that these battles could go different ways and that not everybody is gonna see everything the same.

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MasterMe
12.23.2012 , 08:05 AM | #100
Quote: Originally Posted by SoonerJBD View Post
Disagreeing with someone strongly is not trolling. A troll is someone who says something controversial just to rile people up. Please learn these terms before you use them.
*looks shocked*

Oops! I was wrong, class. The troll has yet to be annihilated.


Seriously: you called his Kaggath series a joke. What were you trying to accomplish if not annoy him? I guarentee you that calling anyone a joke is not gonna make them change their ways or turn them into a better judge. Insults through text do nothing but annoy people. You reticule isn't gonna make him decide that Sidious won, it isn't gonna make him see the error in his ways or anything like that. So, in the end, you're just 'riling' him up.