I'm feeling Nickel and Dimed by Makeb

Thats your PoV, my Pov is:

Clean your own ****, THEN you can ask for more money on top what ive alreay paid.

And you never felt lied to? rofl, ok man

Lol. This is just too funny. I've been telling people forever to stop making analyst decisions for them when you don't even work there.

Sorry that 10 bucks isn't a big deal to me and that I'm more than willing to pay that now that the business has changed. I don't feel ripped off, at all.


So what are you saying? You are the industry guru? You know that this won't work? If I was a betting man I would say Makeb will be fine at 10 bucks and the game live on.

"...the game will live on" lol

So if 10 bucks isn't a big deal can I sell you a piece of paper and say 'Just wait and see the artwork is the best ever!!" ?

Why wouldn't you buy it? It's only 10 bucks? And you can take my word for it that the artwork WILL appear don't you worry. If in a few months I say "lol nah no artwork on the paper" you shouldn't get upset k? Cause according to your logic you haven't felt lied to by me.

Or how about you pay for my expansion while I pay for another game. Since of course you don't mind handing Bioware money with no knowledge of what you're getting why stop at only one expansion purchase? Make it two, three heck twenty! Then I can take my ten bucks and wisely use it where I see value for it.

Hey, count me in on free expansion, heck, its only 10 bucks

They could throw in few months sub too. Its only measly 15/month, i spent that much on handful of pretzels yesterday

If it's new content from someone whose work you've previously enjoyed, why wouldn't you pre-order? We know the basic plot. We know of some key features. I can't see what point you're trying to go after with this. If my favourite author releases a new book, I pre-order it instantly. I don't have to know everything about the piece beforehand. In fact, I wanna know as little as possible.

Your author told you book was free if you purchased his/her past four books.
You've purchased his/her past four books.
Author then says "lol sorry you're gonna have to pay"
New book is five pages and he's asking 10 bucks.

SWTOR:

Makeb free for subscribers.
Makeb not free for anyone.
Makeb one zone and 5 levels....that's it.

Oh that - I'm not bothered by that in the slightest. They had a completely different business model back then. Had people stayed on for a while and let the game evolve we would've had Makeb for free.

Why would the new book be 5 pages?... "That's it?" Weren't you just lecturing a bloke on how he wasn't a BioWare employee and all that? You think it looks good if you pull crap from your rear now and treat it like fact?

What model? F2P has nothing to do with it.

And their customers can actually convey to them that making asinine moves is not very good for their health. Its all in good faith.

They try to make the game better for all, even you, you just havent figured that one out yet.

And you are effectively disrupting that.

Why don't you go to culinary school before you express an opinion about a restaurant?

Why don't you become a Hollywood director before you express an opinion about a movie?

Why don't you start up a car company before you express an opinion about an automobile?

Your reasoning is often trotted out, and it's always silly, no matter the context. It's an appeal to authority, through which industry pros are automatically presumed correct simply because they're in a given industry -- and that appeal to authority by definition refutes any notion of business competition. After all, customers are the final deciders of a business' success or failure, and customers generally don't have intimate knowledge of the relevant industry. The quoted statement bespeaks, in other words, a profoundly naive and childish rationale, which is ironic because the people who tend to embrace that rationale also implicitly accuse their opponents of naivete, by pointing out the blindingly obvious -- that businesses aren't charities.

Of course businesses aren't charities. We all know that. We also, I think, generally agree that $10 or $20 isn't a matter of life and death. Personally, I don't have a problem with Makeb's pricing, but I do feel a little put out generally about EA's apparent new approach to running the game. Some of the prices on the Cartel Market seem silly to me, for example -- ~$15 for a virtual outfit that can only be worn by a single character, can't be transferred, and can't be dyed/retinted? And that comes after Bioware spent a year+ showing us hood-down Jedi armors in trailers and advertisements and never once offered us a viable option for it in the game. (Hell, the Knight's costume in the character creator is still the best looking armor for that class in the game, IMO, and it's still not available. Aesthetically speaking, it's all downhill from the moment you click, "Create character.")

For a long time, you could at least argue that the rationale behind giving various classes absolutely ridiculous constraints vis-a-vis their physical appearance had to do with PvP -- and yet as soon as EA thinks it can milk its faithful players for extra cash, Bioware releases adaptive armor that allows any class to look like any other.

So anyway, to go back to Makeb: I will buy Makeb. I'm happy to have an extra planet. But I object to the idea that any criticism of a $10 product must imply that the criticizer is a poverty-stricken wastoid. I've spent about $250 in the last year on this game, and I continue to pay $15 per month; any purchasing decision I make going forward must be framed in that context. Yes, MMOs provide very good value in terms of entertainment/hour -- but a lot of MMOs go out of their way to inflate the hours too. And a lot of MMO publishers, of games past and present, seem to be a little less transparently grabby than EA seems intent to become.

I had to ignore one yes-man troll and I'm about to make it a second. I just don't know how much more simpler I could've put that post and yet it's context eluded you. You guys are honestly counter arguing just for the sake of it.

We get it, you can be screwed, twisted, rung upside down and have every coin shaken from you. You can be lied to and deceived and that doesn't bother you as you put it. You support the company no matter what. Great, got it.

If my last few posts were too confusing for you I'm gonna have to say this may be over your head.