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15 dollars for one set of armor?

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15 dollars for one set of armor?

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LordArtemis
12.22.2012 , 08:04 AM | #31
If I might give Bioware some advice here with respect to the market...


You really REALLY have to give strong consideration to converting all armor on the market into adaptive level one empty armor. By offering armor as purely cosmetic items you really provide a player with the maximum appearance choices.

If you wish to keep mods in the armor located in the Cartel Packs I think that would be fine. Here is what I suggest.

All armor individual pieces should be priced at no higher than 200 coins per item.
All armor sets should be priced at no more than 500 coins a set, all level one empty adaptive items.


You should then sell mod packs, with stat highlights (Aim, Strength, etc) at certain tiers (exactly like the ones that are in the armor in the market that requires a level at the moment) for 400 coins each.

If you will notice, the prices for full sets with mods installed are close to current prices under this formula. This way people can choose the look they want at a decent price, and then choose if they want a mod set from the market to go along with it.

NO ARMOR, and I mean no armor with mods installed should EVER be sold in the market that one has to be above level 45 to use. If you choose to continue to sell armor with mods installed (which I still think is not very wise) it should only be armor in the 1-45 level range. Armor that is contained in the packs however is fine IMO.

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Babyduck
12.22.2012 , 08:14 AM | #32
Quote: Originally Posted by Goretzu View Post
Gold watches and diamond earrings are expensive because of production costs and the rarity of their raw materials (relatively).

There are NO production costs in virtual items (effectively) and NO raw materials (rare or common), the cost of producting such items is effectively $0.00 and as such it is 100% mark-up and 100% profit.



It's like comparing apples and thin air.
You totally missed my point. They are all vanity items. Vanity items are expensive regardless of the production cost. They are intended for the people that can afford them!
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Alec_Fortescue
12.22.2012 , 08:20 AM | #33
Quote: Originally Posted by Babyduck View Post
You totally missed my point. They are all vanity items. Vanity items are expensive regardless of the production cost. They are intended for the people that can afford them!
You seem to forget about the fact that the new Valiant Jedi set is the only properly Jedi-looking set with the hood down. Despite so many wonderful sets being advertised nearly none of them made it into the game. Jedi Knight players are left with no alternative - either they will buy the set for ridiculous 15 quid or they will look like space-hobos with oversized shoulder guards and hoods glued to their heads.

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Goretzu
12.22.2012 , 08:24 AM | #34
Quote: Originally Posted by Babyduck View Post
You totally missed my point. They are all vanity items. Vanity items are expensive regardless of the production cost. They are intended for the people that can afford them!
Expensive things are expensive because they are rare and/or or expensive to produce.

The aren't just expensive.




Virtual items are not rare (unless artifically limited - and the armour sets aren't) and are virtually free to produce.
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Alec_Fortescue
12.22.2012 , 08:25 AM | #35
Quote: Originally Posted by Goretzu View Post
Expensive things are expensive because they are rare and/or or expensive to produce.

The aren't just expensive.




Virtual items are not rare (unless artifically limited - and the armour sets aren't) and are virtually free to produce.
Unlike real-life vanity items those here are not even branded or designed by someone of recognition I so much hate when virtual stuff is being compared to real-life.

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Babyduck
12.22.2012 , 08:26 AM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by Alec_Fortescue View Post
You seem to be missing the point that the new Valiant Jedi set is the only properly Jedi-looking set with the hood down. Despite so many wonderful sets being advertised nearly none of them made it into the game. Jedi Knight players are left with no alternative - either they will buy the set for ridiculous 15 quid or they will look like space-hobos with oversized shoulder guards and hoods glued to their heads.
The appearance of your character is a vanity issue. I am not defending BioWare for not adding a hood down toggle. I am not defending them for not adding more robes with the hood down. I am saying appearance is a vanity issue, if you are unhappy with the appearance of your character and want a set from the cartel market you should expect to pay quite a bit to get it. As those items are vanity items that have zero impact on the game and only make you feel better about the appearance of your character.
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Goretzu
12.22.2012 , 08:29 AM | #37
Quote: Originally Posted by Alec_Fortescue View Post
Unlike real-life vanity items those here are not even branded or designed by someone of recognition
Ah brand buying, can't understand that one.


Quote: Originally Posted by Babyduck View Post
The appearance of your character is a vanity issue. I am not defending BioWare for not adding a hood down toggle. I am not defending them for not adding more robes with the hood down. I am saying appearance is a vanity issue, if you are unhappy with the appearance of your character and want a set from the cartel market you should expect to pay quite a bit to get it. As those items are vanity items that have zero impact on the game and only make you feel better about the appearance of your character.
I understand what you are saying, I just can't see the justification behind it.

Why should a visual item HAVE to be extortionaly expensive?




It doesn't even make much sense from a profits point of view, because (as DvD sales and MP3 sales have shown) if you price things lower you tend to sell a lot more, and make more $$$'s in the end.
This is even more viable with virtual items as there is effectively no production cost so every sale is pure profit.
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Alec_Fortescue
12.22.2012 , 08:33 AM | #38
Quote: Originally Posted by Babyduck View Post
The appearance of your character is a vanity issue. I am not defending BioWare for not adding a hood down toggle. I am not defending them for not adding more robes with the hood down. I am saying appearance is a vanity issue, if you are unhappy with the appearance of your character and want a set from the cartel market you should expect to pay quite a bit to get it. As those items are vanity items that have zero impact on the game and only make you feel better about the appearance of your character.
It's not just a vanity issue when you're playing a role playing game for story and immersion and you were basically promised and lured in by all the media showing you how cool you will look like. So no, I shouldn't pay anything extra since I was already promised those things included in the price of the game and subscription.

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Babyduck
12.22.2012 , 08:35 AM | #39
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It doesn't even make much sense from a profits point of view, because (as DvD sales and MP3 sales have shown) if you price things lower you tend to sell a lot more, and more in the end.
This is even more viable with virtual items as there is effectively no production cost so every sale is pure profit.
As sales for those items begin to decrease they will start lowering the price. We have already seen this happen with the items from last month that now have sale prices.
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Alec_Fortescue
12.22.2012 , 08:36 AM | #40
Seriously, the only way I would justify those ridiculous set-pricing would be if they actually hired some famous fashion designer to design some exclusive and season-limited new armor sets. Then 15 quid would be totally understandable...