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Can we not buy this 'Expansion' with Cartel Coins?
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Goretzu
12.20.2012 , 10:26 AM | #191
Quote: Originally Posted by FattyMcElbows View Post
So, you're saying the same people who are threatening to unsubscribe now are the same people who were threatening to unsubscribe a week ago, a month ago, and three months ago? And that somehow all of those people have remained subscribed yet keep repeating their threat to unsubscribe? Rightrightright. The Us vs. Them mentality. Where you lump everyone who disagrees with you into one singular entity rather than as a series of individuals who collectively came to similar conclusions. Makes sense. It's a totally logical way of thinking.
More than 2,000,000 people have tried and left SWTOR in its first 12 months.

That's an awful LOT of "final straws" to be fair.
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FattyMcElbows
12.20.2012 , 10:43 AM | #192
I cannot believe people are defending this decision and saying, "It's only $10!" Really? No, really? What's in this glorified expansion? What do we KNOW what's in it? A planet. And? We can level up some more. What else? Some new abilities. Is that it? Is that all we know? So, I'm supposed to spend $10 on something and I don't even know what I'm getting? Maybe we get new flashpoints. Maybe a new operation. Maybe some warzones and more on-rails space missions.

So, it's only $10? For Christmas, I get a gift card to a restaurant. This restaurant is notorious for screwing up orders, serving food with filthy plates, allowing bugs everywhere, and treating its customers poorly. (Sometimes they serve food people enjoy. Some even love the food. Some come more for the atmosphere than the quality.) When I sit down, they tell me I can only order a hamburger; I won't know what's on it or be able to decide how it's cooked; maybe I'll get fries if they feel like it; it could be as big as the plate or smaller than the bun or as big as a nickel; and I have to pay $10. Cash. And my gift card is useless. How is that not a slap in the face?

Well, go ahead and spend your $10 on your plate of mystery meat. I think I'll be skipping out on this restaurant. Again.

Now what the hell am I going to do with this gift card?

*EDITED* Because I thought the expansion cost $10 only if you pre-ordered as a subscriber. My point still stands that we won't know if Makeb will be worth $10 or $20.

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erei
12.20.2012 , 10:53 AM | #193
If you think a planet + 5lvl is worth 10$, so the vanilla game should have cost you about 80$ by itself. And yet, I include for free several tutorial planet, 1short planet, 2capital planet and 2station hub.
If we keep the comparison, a 10$ worth add on would include 2 larger planet and 10lvl. Bare minimum.

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Shingara
12.20.2012 , 10:58 AM | #194
the xmas mount costs 18 the 'expansion' costs 20, so wow this is gonna be amazing...................... they cant tell us jack cos they dont have a clue themselves, they have a planet they showed off at E3 an there trying to coin it in as it looks big. looks big and thats hickmans words, not its is big but looks big, how big you say, erm you know about as big as a big planet, well thank you for that insight. its so big a job in development work that its taken a smidgin more dev work to complete then a re painted mount that they stuck lights on and a snow blower to the side of it.

So ye wonder why they aint telling us jack before the pre order window closes cos if it were good and they knew it would be all over the website, the devs would be in here showing off with screen shots and doing videos to get more people to buy it, but they arnt are they.

An if anyone says meh its only x ammount, tell em to put the money in x paypal account cos they have absolutly no value on money.
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Goretzu
12.21.2012 , 04:01 AM | #195
Quote: Originally Posted by FattyMcElbows View Post
I cannot believe people are defending this decision and saying, "It's only $10!" Really? No, really? What's in this glorified expansion? What do we KNOW what's in it? A planet. And? We can level up some more. What else? Some new abilities. Is that it? Is that all we know? So, I'm supposed to spend $10 on something and I don't even know what I'm getting? Maybe we get new flashpoints. Maybe a new operation. Maybe some warzones and more on-rails space missions.

So, it's only $10? For Christmas, I get a gift card to a restaurant. This restaurant is notorious for screwing up orders, serving food with filthy plates, allowing bugs everywhere, and treating its customers poorly. (Sometimes they serve food people enjoy. Some even love the food. Some come more for the atmosphere than the quality.) When I sit down, they tell me I can only order a hamburger; I won't know what's on it or be able to decide how it's cooked; maybe I'll get fries if they feel like it; it could be as big as the plate or smaller than the bun or as big as a nickel; and I have to pay $10. Cash. And my gift card is useless. How is that not a slap in the face?

Well, go ahead and spend your $10 on your plate of mystery meat. I think I'll be skipping out on this restaurant. Again.

Now what the hell am I going to do with this gift card?

*EDITED* Because I thought the expansion cost $10 only if you pre-ordered as a subscriber. My point still stands that we won't know if Makeb will be worth $10 or $20.

It puzzles me too, its a bad precedent and it's only that cheap IF you pre-order it.
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12.21.2012 , 04:24 AM | #196
Quote: Originally Posted by JackPipsam View Post
It simply doesn't make sense.
LotRO and DDO do this without issue.
If I am not mistaken Everquest expansions can be brought with Station Cash.

My only theory is that they don't want subscribers (us, the people who supported their game) to use our unspent credits and get it without paying extra.
Just a quick point of contention, here.
DDO IS a free to play system, but the expansions for it dont unlock everything. You may get a few 'free' quests with the expansion, but the rest you have to pay for. It would be like the F2P system in SWTOR giving you the class quests ONLY...if you wanted other quests to get more experience and more loot, you would have to buy them individually.

The follow up argument to this is: How many Cartel Coins do you need to purchase the expansion? 2,000? 5,000? 500,000? Set the number too high, and youll have the subscribers getting the game, while the F2P guys scream and complain and leave.
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Eaglec
12.21.2012 , 09:44 AM | #197
Quote: Originally Posted by Myshkyn View Post
The follow up argument to this is: How many Cartel Coins do you need to purchase the expansion? 2,000? 5,000? 500,000? Set the number too high, and youll have the subscribers getting the game, while the F2P guys scream and complain and leave.
that's actually very easy to answer. The full price is £11.99 (GBP) and that is EXACTLY the same price as 2400ccartel Coins... so why not charge 2400 coins?

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Spiritinblack
12.21.2012 , 09:56 AM | #198
Quote: Originally Posted by Eaglec View Post
that's actually very easy to answer. The full price is £11.99 (GBP) and that is EXACTLY the same price as 2400ccartel Coins... so why not charge 2400 coins?
Which is roughly 4-6 months worth of being a sub.

To me that seems fair. They could even have it a little higher too. I can live with it like that.

It is not about the money for me. I can afford $10. My bigger issues was the people who defend this game like there is nothing ever wrong with it.

They told us save your CC for content/expansions.

Alot of us said that they wont let us use them for that. We were then called haters... Even though people that voiced their opinion, did so in a constructive way. ( not all believe me I know how some can be on this forum.)

Now I took it all with a grain of salt. I knew that they would do something like this ( eaware) And chances are As mad as I am at eaware about this, i will still probably buy this expac.

To me, it feels like they are just insulting me. Slapping me in the face for being a sub from the get go.

All this is my opinion. I have been called a hater, a child, told that I'm mad cause mommy and daddy wont pay for this, you name it I have been called it.

Why, because I have an opinion that differs from someone else. And other then my sig,,, have not said anyone elses opinion is wrong.

Sorry, if after beign a sub, and seeing way too many things happen in this game, that were just plain *** moments, if I'm a litttle jaded.
I have been called a hater for voicing my opinion. So be it. But I would rather die on my feet, then live on my knees.

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Nitblade
12.21.2012 , 10:15 AM | #199
Quote: Originally Posted by vian View Post
Hmmm ... wasn't Hickman asking for feedback on the changes. I suppose we'd better go give him some. I get the distinct impression his brief is "See how much gouging you can get away with; sure it'll drive this game into the ground, but we'll know the consumer's pain point for the next one."

And I say that as someone who actually enjoys the game, and will be sorry when people are driven off by this financial experimentation.
Well Hickman said he wanted feedback, he never said he wanted to actually read or acknowledge it.
He's perfectly happy letting you type your well constructed post to just send David Copperfield do his vanishing trick like when he did it to the Statue of Liberty.

No wonder these forums are getting angrier by the minute, no matter what you have to say, if it isn't an ode to Hickman's Coolaid of truth, it'll be gone in an hour. Heck yeah i'm angry at Him, the level of sanitation reached by this forum of discussion is sickening (not blaming the CM and Mods, i'm perfectly sure where the order comes from).

Contrary to someone doing Eaware's management of SWTOR, I'm actually interested in every opinion that people are willing to voice here. We can't understand one another without both side of an argument.

Problem is I still like the game or I would have unsubbed right after 1.6 so i'm giving them exactly 1 more chance here, Makeb better be really damn good.
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CrusherKing
12.26.2012 , 01:31 PM | #200
I am not comfortable buying this in the internet I would gladly buy it if it was in a real store instead of purely digital
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