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How many subscriptions SWTOR still have?

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Connll
12.20.2012 , 10:26 AM | #1
Hey, guys, I am writing this in search of a small bit of info I havenīt been able to find. Everything I say in this post is based on outdated information, so it is probably wrong/innacurate by now.

Way back in 2011, it was said that SWTOR would be "very profitable" if it managed to hit 500k active subs. This was said in answer to a question if the dev expected Tor to dethrone WoW.

As far as I know, SWTOR had a peak of 2,5 million active subscriptions, and then this number started to dwindle rapidly, as more and more players finished the calss storylines.

Question is: how many active subscriptions TOR has today? I think it must be 300k tops, otherwise a transition to F2P wouldnīt be implemented so quickly. Also, is the number of subs finally stable? Or it still continues to drop?

Anyone knows the answer?
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Spiritinblack
12.20.2012 , 10:30 AM | #2
Quote: Originally Posted by Connll View Post
Hey, guys, I am writing this in search of a small bit of info I havenīt been able to find. Everything I say in this post is based on outdated information, so it is probably wrong/innacurate by now.

Way back in 2011, it was said that SWTOR would be "very profitable" if it managed to hit 500k active subs. This was said in answer to a question if the dev expected Tor to dethrone WoW.

As far as I know, SWTOR had a peak of 2,5 million active subscriptions, and then this number started to dwindle rapidly, as more and more players finished the calss storylines.

Question is: how many active subscriptions TOR has today? I think it must be 300k tops, otherwise a transition to F2P wouldnīt be implemented so quickly. Also, is the number of subs finally stable? Or it still continues to drop?

Anyone knows the answer?
We don't have exact numbers.... so no one knows. For subs I will guess for you though. 300-600k sounds about right to me.

(all opinion of course)
I have been called a hater for voicing my opinion. So be it. But I would rather die on my feet, then live on my knees.

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kamed
12.20.2012 , 10:58 AM | #3
Quote: Originally Posted by Connll View Post
Hey, guys, I am writing this in search of a small bit of info I havenīt been able to find. Everything I say in this post is based on outdated information, so it is probably wrong/innacurate by now.

Way back in 2011, it was said that SWTOR would be "very profitable" if it managed to hit 500k active subs. This was said in answer to a question if the dev expected Tor to dethrone WoW.

As far as I know, SWTOR had a peak of 2,5 million active subscriptions, and then this number started to dwindle rapidly, as more and more players finished the calss storylines.

Question is: how many active subscriptions TOR has today? I think it must be 300k tops, otherwise a transition to F2P wouldnīt be implemented so quickly. Also, is the number of subs finally stable? Or it still continues to drop?

Anyone knows the answer?
When the cartel market was introduced success of this game no longer is determined by the number of subscribers, but the amount each subscriber pays out.

This is a much better business model because you can probably expect to get a whole year of subscription in one month from purchases from the Cartel Market, than having to wait each month to collect subscription fees. That is if people are willing to spend that amount, which some do. Following the F2P release of Swtor, we can see that EA stock rose up to 20-25% of its value in Oct of 2012. Is this a coincidence that the stock rose after the Cartel Market release? I don't think so.

Currently majority of video game stocks are going down and that's probably has something to do with the shooting last Friday in the elementary school. So don't look at EA stocks now and think that "oh the stock is going down and it must be because everyone is unsubbing from the Makeb expansion". I mean that could also be the reason, but who knows for sure. Law makers are looking at video games as a source or contributor of gun violence. Sigh... the market can be so unpredictable and predictable at time...

Anyway if you really want to get their figures then you should probably look at their most recent quarterly financial statements.

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LordNyxus
12.20.2012 , 11:08 AM | #4
Again, it is very difficult to find such information. However, I , too, will give you my opinion. Since there two types (three if you include preferred) of accounts now: free-to-play and subscription. As far as subscriptions are concerned, I would be very surprised if actual subscriptions are over 300k. I would say there are over 300k free-to-play accounts. The bad thing about this is that I believe that those who are subscription players are responsible for more than 80% of cartel purchases.

The reason I added this last bit of opinion is to show how the game model is working, and as a measurement to consider the future of SWTOR. The subscriber numbers will not grow. Instead, they will stabilize for a while, then eventually begin dropping again...not to quickly. The current subscribers are contributing more than their subscriptions in order to keep this game alive.
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bahdasz
12.20.2012 , 11:12 AM | #5
I don't know if it matters, tbh. Not at the moment anyway. There are still a lot of hardcore PvPers, and PvEers for that matter, in the game that I know of that are paying subs so they can do whatever they want as often as they want. So there is still a subscriber base, although probably smaller.

But judging from the amount of cartel market crap in the GTN and in use by players.... it's pretty obvious where they're making their money from at the moment. Going after the player's vanity as well as their desire for restricted content was the right move for sure, and as long as they can keep pushing new stuff to the cartel market they won't need a lot of subscriptions to keep the bills paid... that much is obvious.

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Ishagu
12.20.2012 , 11:18 AM | #6
I think the game has around 600k subs and about 400k f2p players.
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Connll
12.20.2012 , 11:31 AM | #7
So, according to posters opinion, SWTOR amount of active subscripstions is between 300k-600k.

An average of 450k then? WoW. less than 20% of the top number.

Not sure about how I feel about this... I wanted this game to be the next WoW, you know... What did we do wrong?
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kamed
12.20.2012 , 11:39 AM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by Connll View Post
So, according to posters opinion, SWTOR amount of active subscripstions is between 300k-600k.

An average of 450k then? WoW. less than 20% of the top number.

Not sure about how I feel about this... I wanted this game to be the next WoW, you know... What did we do wrong?
Nothing. Just play the game while you still can and enjoy your gaming experience. Looking for others to validate you opinions in these forums will often go badly regardless if you want this game to succeed or not.

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LegendaryBlade
12.20.2012 , 11:55 AM | #9
Wow if most of these predictions are accurate (between 300k to 500k subs) than it has about as many subs as FFXI.

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UltimateKrucible
12.20.2012 , 11:55 AM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by Connll View Post
What did we do wrong?
IMO - they copied WOW too closely, took too long, and bolted on a wonderous, immersive, vastly expensive fully-voiced story mode that people enjoyed and played through - and then quit once the story came to an end. Which shouldn't have surprised anyone.

Never give people what they say they want - by the time you've made it, they want something else.

And that's from someone who actually likes the game and has subbed since day 1,.
. Shine on, you crazy pixel.

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