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I Fully Support Makeb: Story Content is Encouraging and Should Be Encouraged!

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I Fully Support Makeb: Story Content is Encouraging and Should Be Encouraged!

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UltimateKrucible
12.19.2012 , 08:55 AM | #21
Pre-ordered here! Its more story content and therefore a no-brainer.

Also, OP, I like the name Biowere these days, given that the company is pretty much a shell....

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darklordpotter
12.19.2012 , 09:13 AM | #22
Quote: Originally Posted by UltimateKrucible View Post
Pre-ordered here! Its more story content and therefore a no-brainer.

Also, OP, I like the name Biowere these days, given that the company is pretty much a shell....
Or every full moon they change into a slavering monster longing only to destroy everything they have created......


How else do you explain some of their PR?

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SilentKitty
12.19.2012 , 09:30 AM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by CelCawdro View Post
I remain just as cynical as you. I don't disagree with a thing you've said. All I'm saying is that, if Makeb is a rousing financial success, there's a glimmer of hope for class story in our future. I mean honestly, class story isn't as complicated as we tend to make it out to be - all class stories have thus far taken place almost exclusively on planets; it merely means they need to make another 5-10 missions for each class and make sure they have instance gates set up for them. That being said, this is still a significantly large amount of content to add. We need to encourage them to take bigger chances with their narrative content by supporting it.

Our chances for subsequent class story may only be slim if we support Makeb, but they're pretty much non-existent if we show absolutely no interest in story content when given to us.




That's precisely why I've unsubscribed. While I do not feel that I can support the game in a general sense, this model as afforded me the ability to very specifically support the game in areas of my own choosing. Story and playable species are the two most important areas for me.
I also pre-ordered.

It is more story and I really look forward to it. Would I be happier for individual story-arcs? You bet! And I really really hope and pray that we will get back to them. In the long run that is needed for me to enjoy the game. But for now I am just happy for some more story.

I'm also going to get the Cathar, really look forward to playing them, but I also see that if this is successful perhaps we will see the Togruta added one day.

I agree with you on these things, vote with you wallet. I will.
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iamthehoyden
12.19.2012 , 09:40 AM | #24
I'm about through supporting this game based on hope.

My hope is that we'll have class stories, continued companion stories, more species options, and so forth. At this point, however, I'll believe it when I see it. Confirmation that class and companion stories are coming within a reasonable timeframe would be enough for me to renew my sub. But I'm not supporting them based on hope and trust when they've shown themselves consistently unworthy of it.
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CelCawdro
12.19.2012 , 09:41 AM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by Dokar View Post
Without class story will not support it beyond using saved CC stipend which they currently won't allow.
If you want story content, support the small amount we get. Granted, I think it's a cheap move to disallow subscribers (or anyone else, for that matter) to use their saved points, but it's an understandable one. Story content, class-based or otherwise, isn't cheap. Particularly when compared to how profitable a new pet or robe on the Cartel Market can be. They're simply hedging their bets.

Granted, I'd like to see more transparency and am personally unhappy with this decision, but again, if you want story, you need to support story. If Makeb fails, anyone who holds the slightest glimmer of hope for class story and didn't buy into Makeb simply shot themselves in the foot. Why would they put even more effort in to content with a track record of being inefficient, financially?

I don't like the situation, but I understand it. The phrase "cutting off your nose to spite your face" applies here.


Quote: Originally Posted by iamthehoyden View Post
I'm about through supporting this game based on hope.

My hope is that we'll have class stories, continued companion stories, more species options, and so forth. At this point, however, I'll believe it when I see it. Confirmation that class and companion stories are coming within a reasonable timeframe would be enough for me to renew my sub. But I'm not supporting them based on hope and trust when they've shown themselves consistently unworthy of it.
I'm not resubscribing, either. But you better believe that I'm going to support the game when it provides the type of content I'm waiting for (such as story and playable species). When I see an actual trend develop for delivering that content, I'll resubscribe. In the meantime, I'm fine with picking and choosing what facets of the game I believe are deserving of my financial vote. Because let's be realistic - that's the only vote that matters with respect to the new business model.

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H-aTreD
12.19.2012 , 09:43 AM | #26
For me, it's more story I don't care about, 5 more levels which are pointless since you'll just be back to standing around on fleet waiting for a queue again once you finish (which isn't going to be much, it's only 1 planet). So no, I don't support it for these reasons amongst others. However I feel I'm forced into buying it due to the reasons of end game. Since the Ops are getting moved "up" in level if I chose to raid (which I'm not a huge fan of but still do it from time to time with my friends), I have to buy this.

They also haven't said how the PvP bracket will work. Is it going to be 1-49 and then 50-55 or are they going to go with a 1-54 and then a 55 bracket? What about a better time table, "spring" isn't very good especially when they originally stated "fall" and then after "fall" was over they changed their minds to "It'll be ready when we think it's "Bioware Quality" (cause clearly they've done such an outstanding job in this department /sarcasm). These are important questions I would like answered before I give them any money and support it in any way. I want to know WHAT I'm buying just like any other video game tells their customers when they offer a pre-order. If Bioware wanted us to blindly give us money based off the faith they'd need to give us something to base that faith off of and so far they have zero faith left in me.

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kamed
12.19.2012 , 09:56 AM | #27
I was about to start a thread about how I was anticipating the new expansion, little content or a lot. I felt that for $10 it was a no brainer to buy the digital expansion. Heck, I paid for all the expansions for other stupid games like Sims 3, and majority of that content was fluff, really. So for me, principle or not, I like to play the game, I was happy with HK-51 release and other event, a little dissatisfied, but glad they did not have a Life Day (Christmas) event, so I will pay for the expansion.

I do agree with the OP that majority of MMOs are redirecting efforts to the F2P market, because frankly it draws in a much larger crowd, makes more money and you don't really have to rely on a subscriber base.

Unfortunately the problem as I see in the Swtor crowd as with other MMOs that transition from Subscription based to F2P, is their inability to cope with the change of direction and I am not surprised about this. Me, I don't really consider the Cartel Market as a nickel and diming thing, and if I did I would also have to be opposed to buying stuff while I'm at theme parks or movie theaters.

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Jumajin
12.19.2012 , 10:14 AM | #28
Quote: Originally Posted by iamthehoyden View Post
I'm about through supporting this game based on hope.
Pretty much where I now stand. As a result, as of yesterday the subscription ends on Dec 24th (I'm just finishing off the final 2 levels in a Class story between now and then), Funcom got $30 from me for TSW, and SOE got $20 from me for the DCUO Station Cash.

I chose to spend $50 yesterday between two other MMO developers than a mere $10 here to EA for RoTHC. Instead of giving EA the $15/mo, I will likely be giving it to Funcon or SOE.

EA has had its chance, and the past several weeks have been clear that I can no longer support this game, even in bits and pieces. I really like SWTOR, don't get me wrong. But I do not agree with where EA appears to be taking it, and that is the deal breaker.

And it isn't about it going F2P in itself. I've been with DCUO since launch and it transitioned to F2P in its first year, too. But I stuck by it and have yet to regret it. Funcom just sent TSW into the B2P market (subscription optional). So, it isn't the model. It is, however, how EA is handling the model.

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kamed
12.19.2012 , 10:20 AM | #29
Quote: Originally Posted by Jumajin View Post
Pretty much where I now stand. As a result, as of yesterday the subscription ends on Dec 24th (I'm just finishing off the final 2 levels in a Class story between now and then), Funcom got $30 from me for TSW, and SOE got $20 from me for the DCUO Station Cash.

I chose to spend $50 yesterday between two other MMO developers than a mere $10 here to EA for RoTHC. Instead of giving EA the $15/mo, I will likely be giving it to Funcon or SOE.

EA has had its chance, and the past several weeks have been clear that I can no longer support this game, even in bits and pieces. I really like SWTOR, don't get me wrong. But I do not agree with where EA appears to be taking it, and that is the deal breaker.

And it isn't about it going F2P in itself. I've been with DCUO since launch and it transitioned to F2P in its first year, too. But I stuck by it and have yet to regret it. Funcom just sent TSW into the B2P market (subscription optional). So, it isn't the model. It is, however, how EA is handling the model.
If you haven't heard EA co-published TSW with Funcom...

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CelCawdro
12.19.2012 , 10:21 AM | #30
Quote: Originally Posted by Jumajin View Post
Pretty much where I now stand. As a result, as of yesterday the subscription ends on Dec 24th (I'm just finishing off the final 2 levels in a Class story between now and then), Funcom got $30 from me for TSW, and SOE got $20 from me for the DCUO Station Cash.

I chose to spend $50 yesterday between two other MMO developers than a mere $10 here to EA for RoTHC. Instead of giving EA the $15/mo, I will likely be giving it to Funcon or SOE.

EA has had its chance, and the past several weeks have been clear that I can no longer support this game, even in bits and pieces. I really like SWTOR, don't get me wrong. But I do not agree with where EA appears to be taking it, and that is the deal breaker.

And it isn't about it going F2P in itself. I've been with DCUO since launch and it transitioned to F2P in its first year, too. But I stuck by it and have yet to regret it. Funcom just sent TSW into the B2P market (subscription optional). So, it isn't the model. It is, however, how EA is handling the model.
I completely understand where you're coming from, but you should know that Funcom and EA co-published TSW.