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What happens to current endgame with new expansion?

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What happens to current endgame with new expansion?

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Valeriadrina
12.19.2012 , 02:12 AM | #21
Even if they had new operations/flashpoints they still need to scale/add new difficulty for rest of these. Only that makes sense since otherwise you are making huge chunk of repeteable content obsolete. I think that "old" practice is extremely wasteful and expensive.

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CorellianWannabe
12.19.2012 , 02:51 AM | #22
Quote: Originally Posted by Anti_Bodies View Post
I figured this warranted a new thread. Currently all OPS/FP's/endgame gear/endgame wz brackets are for level 50 players. What happens when we can get to level 55? Do they rescale it all for level 55? Do they create new gear? Are level 50's fighting wz's with 55's?

I know not a lot of information has come out, so I'm more asking what do they do in other MMO's with new expansions? What's the norm if their is one?

Thanks!
It will interesting to see what they do with talents-they already can't balance them properly, so what will happen with 5 more points to spend? More hybrid nightmares? Will there be a new tier?

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DarthSkaya
12.19.2012 , 03:04 AM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by Valeriadrina View Post
Even if they had new operations/flashpoints they still need to scale/add new difficulty for rest of these. Only that makes sense since otherwise you are making huge chunk of repeteable content obsolete. I think that "old" practice is extremely wasteful and expensive.
But then rescaling old end game content will make the new expension a must have as if you choose to not buy it there will be no more end game for you at lvl 50. Taking away what you could do formerly.

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aeterno
12.19.2012 , 03:04 AM | #24
I for one am excited. They've talked about a philosophy change to endgame gearing and itemization with the Makeb patch. Honestly, it couldn't get more wonkier as it is atm. I choose to have faith that it can only get better at this stage lol.

Wonder how raiders would feel if BW did a "reset" of ops, basically demoting current difficulty levels down to "story mode".... introduced new gear and fine tuned the existing ops to make the top tier progression raiding comparable to WoW - meaning good guilds dont have the hardest fights on farm in the first week.

There is also that rakata prime ops that was datamined, I reckon that HAS to be bundled into it somehow.

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Guancyto
12.19.2012 , 03:07 AM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthSkaya View Post
But then rescaling old end game content will make the new expension a must have as if you choose to not buy it there will be no more end game for you at lvl 50. Taking away what you could do formerly.
There'd be no real endgame content for you anyway, people would be busy on the level 55 stuff.

I mean, people still raided Ulduar during WoW Cataclysm, for instance, but they were a tiny minority and it was only for the lulz. Or the achievement points. I pray to every god listening they never introduce achievement points into SWToR.

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Stradlin
12.19.2012 , 04:51 AM | #26
Quote: Originally Posted by LeonBraun View Post
The worst thing that could happen is to make 5 new levels purely for the new quests... If there is no new end-game, TOR will then be placed in a worse shape then it was in the month after launch, when everyone burned through the levelling content and whined that there was nothing to do level cap.

But, it that case, there really would be nothing more to do... They would need a new 10-15 boss new raid tier in a similar vein of WoW's post cap tiers 7,11 and 14 (a real raid tier) in order to be justify a level increase.
Agreed. It's rock vs hard place type of a situation for players really.
MMO with properly functioning structure does NOT increase lvl cap if they are unable to bring enough new end game content to justify doing so - increased level cap renders existing content obsolete and all.

On the other hand, if they actually have gall to introduce NO new Ops, NO new FPs and instead, just give some boring static boost to all existing Ops/FPs, then it should be plain to everyone lvl cap is increased for one reason only: to force people buying an expansion many would otherwise just skip.
Without end game content, this makes most artifical and lame lvl cap increase in history of MMOs.

There is a good change this "expansion" is essentually a content patch with highly artifical lvl cap increase glued to side.

Come to think of it, I think "Expansion" is most valid way to express " Rise of the Hutt Cartel"

Based on everything told and implied thus far, a fair and reasonable approach would have been tokeep lvl cap at 50. But in that case, it would not be 100% necessary for every active player to buy it now would it? It is pretty *********** rutheless ******e approach towards releasing an " expansion" really. I'm fine with paying sub fee and also having to pay for my expansions. Out of non dysfunctional MMOs, Eve Online is only one that handles this in fashion more fair to players. What I most *********** assuredly AM NOT COOL WITH is HAVING to pay for an " Expansion" that does not provide any sincere, real end game content.

Of course, I might get proven wrong here. I hope I'm being overly negative, pessimistic about this and just plain wrong to boot. It might be Makeb has tons of meat underneath the skin. But come on. When feature list of coming expansion@ its announcment looks like this...
  • More epic adventures in Star Wars Galaxy!
  • You can talk to people!
  • There will be Hutt mobs to kill!!!
  • We give 99.999% disciount to people who want to play TOR!! People who do not want to play TOR must pay a lot of money for this expansion!!It costts YOU only 10 dollah!! People who do not want it would have to pay 10000 dollah!! Thats fair right!! Like.Steam fair!!!
...Then I'd say it is wise to start calibrating them expectations.

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darkov
12.19.2012 , 05:04 AM | #27
You need to think about this from both points of view, most players aren't raiders so the increase in levels is needed to keep them happy.

However they WILL have to do something about raiding content in the game. My bet is that Makeb simply brings the casual player up to Rakata level gear and they slightly adjust the Operations to account for five new levels. With one of the new sets of gear they're talking about being a new raid set above Dreadguard for the 55, maxed out raider to achieve.

It isn't ideal, but it gives everyone a little something, even if raiders don't really get new content, they get something new to aim for.

But that is just my theory, we really need more information.

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BigDonVincenzo
12.19.2012 , 05:53 AM | #28
Quote: Originally Posted by Anti_Bodies View Post
What do they do in WoW? This is "WoW in space" anyway
They would release an expansion with a full endgame prepared for level 55. We'd get Level 55 Raids, Dungeons and Battlegrounds from Blizzard. Will we get level 55 OPS, Flashpoints and Warzones from BioWare? I highly doubt it.

My subscription is riding on this.

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Spoletta
12.19.2012 , 06:06 AM | #29
Every expansion is obbligatory and a cash grab, this is not something EA has invented. Go play wow with only the vanilla version, and come back here telling me how much fun the endgame is.
I`m all for them rescaling actual ops and fp to 55, who cares for lvl 50 endgame.
An expansion is getting out, as all expansion you WILL have to purchase it in order to play the game. Talking about lvl 50 endgame is senseless, lvl 50 is no longer the endgame.
I`m actually grateful to EA that they went for a mini expansion, so i`m forced out of only 10 bucks to keep playing instead of 40.

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Stradlin
12.19.2012 , 06:21 AM | #30
Quote: Originally Posted by Spoletta View Post
Every expansion is obbligatory and a cash grab, this is not something EA has invented. .
I'm guessing nobody who has posting rights here has an issue when it comes to paying money for an MMO expansion.

I'm guessing at least half people here feel that an expansion that increases lvl cap for no other apparentreason than making sure you are forced to buy it is an utter **** move.

What do ya know, D I C K is a censored word.