Okay. so let's talk about the first expansion.

And yet, they got you to buy it at all.

I don't think you'd better start honking their nose just yet.

Still cheaper than paying for the DLCs for Skyrim, Fallout New Vegas, Fallout 3, Dragon Age, Mass Effect, Borderlands, Saints Row and a bunch of other games. Don't see how this expansion is any different.

If the content is released and is as equitable as the price they charge us, which is say $10 for subscribers, then its worth it. But if they charged us like $60 like a regular large expansion, I wouldn't pay for it. The thing is, what is your definition of value. If $10 is too much, then you are probably unfamiliar with how DLCs charge.

To be fair, those are all single player games and there is no expectation of continued service. What defines an "expansion" in an MMO is pretty clearly marked out already by the game's competitors. It is understandable that the current info release does not meet that standard.

I'm not going to pay attention to it until they've fixed the payment lockout on mine and others accounts. It's unbelievable that we're still getting the errors and it's preventing us from participating in parts of the game.

Everyone is on about the price - noone is upset that it is still at least 3 months away from release?

And yet they want everyone to kick in thier money now though. Kinda like Popeye's "Wimpy & the hamburger" in reverse. It better be one spectacular hamburger...

Atm I've got no problem with the content and the pricing. It's the equivalent to a meaty BW RPG DLC at a very reasonable price to what those go for.

I do however still want a a 60$ box TOR 2.0 expansion one day. A proper expansion that can go toe to to with MOP and storm legion and the like. Hear that BW? Shut up and take my money!

You know that none of those are subscription games, right?

The whole "regular content updates are paid by your subscription" is kind of the point of MMOs.

Also, if you don't like the look of Lonesome Road, Honest Hearts or Dead Money but you adore Old World Blues, you can pay $5 for Fallout: New Vegas DLC (as I did, was worth every penny).

DLC is ultimately a bunch of amusing sidequests, though. They're selling this as an expansion. You're going to have to buy it to access the game's new endgame. Now, if they later release other "Digital Expansions" all of which raise the level cap to 55 (and don't stack, that way you can choose which one you want)... well that would actually be pretty interesting, and I'd be curious to see how that worked. But that's not what they're doing right now.

I'm well aware of that, as I am sure you are too.

Those games offer about only 6-8 hours of game play at most. And before the ultimate edition the Fallout New Vegas expansions each were $20 each when they first came out. You are paying $10 for even more hours of content and if you have multiple alts, which then it is probably more.

To be honest I don't like how they worded it as an expansion and should have called it a DLC since it doesn't add more to the class story line, but more of an adventure pack. But right now, we are all just speculating about the content, so its pretty much a guess in the dark as to what it will bring.

I'm skeptical about this, but what if (and this is a big what if, now) they added like:
1 Planet
5 Levels
3 Flashpoints
3 Warzones
3 New Item Tiers
2 Ops

Do you then think it would have been a better value than a:
1 Planet
5 Levels

I think so. The fact that we don't exactly know what is comes with the expansion pack is a big mystery and if there is some clarification, people could make better consumer decisions.

That's just false. They added 1 new race to each side, 2 new raids, which were good, but still only two. The only dungeons they added were ZA and ZG, which came after the launch of Cataclysm, so that doesn't count, and I listed the only two real areas they added. EVerything else was just changed, so very little work had to go into it. So an entire planet with new species of aliens, quests, story quests, and such will be enormous. Not to mention, no planet in this game has a 5 level range with with you are needed to be there for leveling, so Makeb will most likely be the biggest planet on this game. I'm not sure if we'll see new dungeons or raids, but I assume we'll see some. You are just whining.

They would have posted in the "sales pitch line". But since the game launched one full year ago, we only got 2 ops and 2 warzones and one flashpoint.

Yep.. it`s totally realistic to ask for them to make one in 3 months and be decent.

You`ll get precisely what`s written in there.. one planet, twinked for mobs that give 5 levels worth of xp - assuming it gives that much and you don`t have to run ops/flashpoints for it, with one crap "global story arc".

Remember it took them one year to give us HK and half to give us one warzone...