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why do the top guilds farm normal warzones instead of doing ranked ??????????

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why do the top guilds farm normal warzones instead of doing ranked ??????????
 

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sir-rob
12.13.2012 , 06:35 PM | #1
Ok iam not here to start crap but i just want to understand it. i don't get why people who are more then able to play ranked would choose to group up and play normal war zone. when i would much rather play ranked if i could. don't say it because there are no pops because if every one that made premade in normal joined up ans played ranked there would be plenty of pops. i just don't get how smashing a team is fun for me a fun game is one that is a close win like a hutt ball game that is right down to the last sec as anyones game or a denova coast that is like 0 to 2 % not a three cap win all a 6 socre in like 5 min in huttball. also how is exchanceing 30 normal coms for 10 ranked coms is worth it. when if you just played ranked you get all ranked coms and if for same reason you did need normal coms you can exchance 10 ranked for 10 normal. so my question is WHY FARM NORMAL WAR ZONES WHAT DO YOU GAIN FROM DOING SO??????????????????????????

P.s iam not talking about people trying to gear up iam talking about people who are in war hero gear or better and when there are 3 or more of the same guild in the warzone in other words a premade team .

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BennyKrak
12.13.2012 , 07:10 PM | #2
The simple answer to your question is:

a) War Hero gear only costs normal warzone commendations now. Therefore, even though these premades may consist of players who are in full War Hero gear, they are most likely grinding normal comms in order to BiS (Best in Slot) their gear by ripping certain mods or enhancements from War Hero items.

b) You cannot honestly say that a lack of pops affects people on our server from playing ranked warzones. Yes sure, there are many guilds with enough PvP players who are capable of queuing for ranked warzones. You have to consider however, that most of these guilds have players from varying timezones (Australia West/East Coast, New Zealand, various Asian countries and even some from America). This not only affects the ability of guilds themselves to put together a ranked team consistently, but also the availability of said ranked team when any other guild may be queuing.

Also, 3 or 4 players from the same guild in a normal warzone is no indication that they have 8 geared enough players to form a ranked warzone team.
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BattleGracefully
12.13.2012 , 08:00 PM | #3
still crying about premade are you? maybe if you wern't so **** you too could be in a premade. don't be hating on those in premades.
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_Gamblor_
12.13.2012 , 08:41 PM | #4
1) Managing a rated team is a lot harder than managing a premade. Most of the time 1-2 ppl in an 8-man group will need to go offline after a game or two. Lots of people dont want to commit to playing 2hrs straight (with no breaks for dinner or misc etc)

2) When forming a rated, the pops will take longer if one of the rated groups pops to a normal Q. The other ranked teams will have to wait until the first group is finished with the regular pop before the Q gets going again (painful wait).

3) There are around 1-2 games going per night (4 lots of 8 at max). Really not that many ppl that Q for WZs - splitting them up even further may even cause no one to pop in any game. When that happens, the rated team just Q for normal.

4) Some rated teams only Q when everyone is on TS or Vent. Some ppl just cbf and want a casual game.

With that being said, there is room for rated when leaders of two guilds communicate and agree to Q up together. As soon as a third guild Qs, 1 team waits an entire WZ without a pop. It is gonna happen when there are an odd number of teams - and when that happens the odd team stops Q, then if one of the other teams disband, the cycle continues. Which really just ends up being everyone Q for normal.

Basically the way its structured isnt that great - but i haven't got another solution so i'm not gonna dwell on it.

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sir-rob
12.13.2012 , 09:17 PM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by BennyKrak View Post
The simple answer to your question is:

a) War Hero gear only costs normal warzone commendations now. Therefore, even though these premades may consist of players who are in full War Hero gear, they are most likely grinding normal comms in order to BiS (Best in Slot) their gear by ripping certain mods or enhancements from War Hero items.

b) You cannot honestly say that a lack of pops affects people on our server from playing ranked warzones. Yes sure, there are many guilds with enough PvP players who are capable of queuing for ranked warzones. You have to consider however, that most of these guilds have players from varying timezones (Australia West/East Coast, New Zealand, various Asian countries and even some from America). This not only affects the ability of guilds themselves to put together a ranked team consistently, but also the availability of said ranked team when any other guild may be queuing.

Also, 3 or 4 players from the same guild in a normal warzone is no indication that they have 8 geared enough players to form a ranked warzone team.
ok i get what your saying but you can still do ranked and get ranked coms. they can be exchang for 10 for 10 so your not losesing coms and and iam talking about people who have been playing for months and these ppl are on at peak time so they can get number if there is only 4 in one guild that is a group and 4 in another if they join they have 8 oh its a ranked team if ppl played together it would be more fun for everyone

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sir-rob
12.13.2012 , 09:21 PM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by BattleGracefully View Post
still crying about premade are you? maybe if you wern't so **** you too could be in a premade. don't be hating on those in premades.
this is not about premades it about why ppl don't play ranked if more ppl played ranked then you would n't have pop issues .and if ppl were nicer on this game and join up with other quilds and pugs and **** to form ranked team there would be heaps to play up againt that is my point.

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sir-rob
12.13.2012 , 09:31 PM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by BattleGracefully View Post
still crying about premade are you? maybe if you wern't so **** you too could be in a premade. don't be hating on those in premades.
this is not about premades it about why ppl don't play ranked if more ppl played ranked then you would n't have pop issues .and if ppl were nicer on this game and join up with other quilds and pugs and **** to form ranked team there would be heaps to play up againt that is my point.

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sir-rob
12.13.2012 , 09:51 PM | #8
Quote: Originally Posted by _Gamblor_ View Post
1) Managing a rated team is a lot harder than managing a premade. Most of the time 1-2 ppl in an 8-man group will need to go offline after a game or two. Lots of people dont want to commit to playing 2hrs straight (with no breaks for dinner or misc etc)

2) When forming a rated, the pops will take longer if one of the rated groups pops to a normal Q. The other ranked teams will have to wait until the first group is finished with the regular pop before the Q gets going again (painful wait).

3) There are around 1-2 games going per night (4 lots of 8 at max). Really not that many ppl that Q for WZs - splitting them up even further may even cause no one to pop in any game. When that happens, the rated team just Q for normal.

4) Some rated teams only Q when everyone is on TS or Vent. Some ppl just cbf and want a casual game.

With that being said, there is room for rated when leaders of two guilds communicate and agree to Q up together. As soon as a third guild Qs, 1 team waits an entire WZ without a pop. It is gonna happen when there are an odd number of teams - and when that happens the odd team stops Q, then if one of the other teams disband, the cycle continues. Which really just ends up being everyone Q for normal.

Basically the way its structured isnt that great - but i haven't got another solution so i'm not gonna dwell on it.
yes maybe it is the game but if all the cool kids and big guild worked together and when yous can't get number in guild ask outer guild it would be easyer to form a team of 8 and there for more ppl playing ranked there for more pops. another thing if ppl stoped farming normal war zone more ppl would play pvp .also if the big guilds didn't take it so full on and pulled ther lightsaber/gun out of there behind and just played ranked game no matter what. who cares if the whole team not on a chat server if everyone in the group if geared and know the wz you don't need a chat server. also if the raked team didn't que for normal they wouldn't pop normal then they other team wouldn't have to wait. so maybe bioware should have made ranked not a 8 man que make it so singles 2 3 4 wat every can que. i would love to play ranked as iam over exchageing 30 normal coms for 10 ranked as that is how i have had to do it for mjrat and it takes forever if ppl would ask i would play. so maybe the big guild when ther can't form 8 man group in guild instead of farming normal just ask out of guild we would then have more ranked teams and more ranked pops

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Henu
12.13.2012 , 11:22 PM | #9
I dont mind doing rank but there isn't a great incentive for doing so really. And like others have said getting 8 people together and waiting on another 8 people to get setup can be pain staking, and for what? its the same war zones that pop in normal queues but the pops can be longer...

All this for just a few extra comms??
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-Holmes
12.13.2012 , 11:33 PM | #10
Quote: Originally Posted by sir-rob View Post
this is not about premades it about why ppl don't play ranked if more ppl played ranked then you would n't have pop issues .and if ppl were nicer on this game and join up with other quilds and pugs and **** to form ranked team there would be heaps to play up againt that is my point.
Often, one or two of the "premade" players might not be in BiS WH gear but appear to be so(due to spec, buffs and augments). It's called helping your guildies to get gear.
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