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Smash / Sweep + Bubble Stun

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Smash / Sweep + Bubble Stun

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Monterone
12.11.2012 , 01:35 PM | #41
Quote: Originally Posted by Carter_Mathis View Post
The hardest hit in the game is a free (with 4 stacks), auto-crit, AOE ability with a lowerable active cooldownAnd tbh, I think that smash needs a much more urgent nerf than Bubble stun, since bubbles can easily be countered by a ranged dps (yes, they exist in this game). If slingers/commandos/sages actually existed, at least on my server, as dps, then I doubt that so many people would complain.
This actually couldn't be more true... trust me, I HATE the bubble spec on my deception assassin, I have left games that had two of these healers on the other side, it's just not fun.

But the issue is the overwhelming benefits melee have in the game, making ranged dps rare to come by. Lack of ranged dps unfortunately makes melee dps lives less fun. If there were a sniper and a dps sorc/merc in every warzone (ranked included), bubble stun would be less of an issue.

I do think bubble stun should be changed a bit, mostly to handle resolve differently, but that is an issue with the resolve system at the core. Smash is a much bigger issue, hope it gets a BIG reworking. As said, the game's hardest hitting ability also autocrits, has ways to increase damage greatly and easily, has easy force management and can be cooldown reduced... and if that isn't enough it's a 5 person AoE! Effing retarded and anyone who says this is cool is a bit slow or a troll. BW taking so long to gather their metrics before they change this just shows poor judgment and a lack of caring for the customer base.
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JohnAnconia
12.11.2012 , 01:41 PM | #42
Quote: Originally Posted by Monterone View Post
This actually couldn't be more true... trust me, I HATE the bubble spec on my deception assassin, I have left games that had two of these healers on the other side, it's just not fun.

But the issue is the overwhelming benefits melee have in the game, making ranged dps rare to come by. Lack of ranged dps unfortunately makes melee dps lives less fun. If there were a sniper and a dps sorc/merc in every warzone (ranked included), bubble stun would be less of an issue.

I do think bubble stun should be changed a but, mostly to handle resolve differently, but that is an issue with the resolve system at the core. Smash is a much bigger issue, hope it gets a BIG reworking. As said, the game's hardest hitting ability also autocrits, has ways to increase damage greatly and easily, has easy force management and can be cooldown reduced... and if that isn't enough it's a 5 person AoE! Effing retarded and anyone who says this is cool is a bit slow or a troll. BW taking so long to gather their metrics before they change this just shows poor judgment and a lack of caring for the customer base.
Agree. IMO bubble stuns are balanced in the sense that there are too many FOTM melee rerollers.

I predict BW will nerf bubble stuns once more people start rolling ranged alts...

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Xinika
12.11.2012 , 01:48 PM | #43
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
As I asked earlier...link please?! If you can't validate your claim, you're just spreading rumors...and I think that the whole 1.7 balance BS is one massive rumor. Please...prove me wrong - I'd love to be.
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MiaRB
12.11.2012 , 02:01 PM | #44
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
As I asked earlier...link please?! If you can't validate your claim, you're just spreading rumors...and I think that the whole 1.7 balance BS is one massive rumor. Please...prove me wrong - I'd love to be.
devs said there would be no balance changes in 1.6( was either in the Q&A or an interview ), a few people took that statement and turned it into no balance changes until 1.7( was never said by devs ). they post that and QQers grab onto it so they have something to QQ about.

anyway, as for smash, BW went a little to far in how easy they made it to use. the other problem is, massive point blank AOEs should not be given to a class that has leap. other games ive played have attacks like smash, but they are given to true melee classes. leap pretty much makes it a long range AOE. other issue is, smashers can min/max for big damage without really losing out on anything, unlike some other classes/ac's.

and bubble, that is just plain broke and def will be fixed.
can't wait for this game to come out!

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Draank
12.12.2012 , 03:07 AM | #45
Bubble is about 9 billion times worse than smash, just saying.
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Missandei
12.12.2012 , 03:26 AM | #46
Quote: Originally Posted by Draank View Post
Bubble is about 9 billion times worse than smash, just saying.
Yes. Thats why in upcoming 1.7 the bubbles will be toned down that they affect only the one target and the Rage spec mara/Jugg will receive an immunity to immobilizing effects in 4-th level tree ability.
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wwkingms
12.12.2012 , 04:11 AM | #47
lets not forget these faceroll lolsmash bads also have an execute that crits for 5k+

its absolutely ridiculous how easy this class is..

i favorite is when i see one running around with 22k hp and gaurd on him smashing me for 7k
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Missandei
12.12.2012 , 04:13 AM | #48
Quote: Originally Posted by wwkingms View Post
lets not forget these faceroll lolsmash bads also have an execute that crits for 5k+
Yup. Thats would to be redisigned too. Execute must be a most hard-hitting ability.
So in 1.7 it will crit up to 9K+
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GVitanza
01.23.2013 , 11:22 PM | #49
Sorry but Focus/Rage spec, needs to be nerfed. Saying bubble stun needs to get nerfed when it is one of the only defenses a sorc healer/dps build has is stupid. Most ppl in wzs role jug/guardian smash spec and once overgeared and you have at least 2 on 1 team, odds aren't in your favor. AND it takes very little skill to actually play focus/rage spec. I don't think all its perk should be taken away but I think its overpowered. But then again they do have to cater to less skilled to keep them playing.
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NogueiraA
01.24.2013 , 12:23 AM | #50
Quote: Originally Posted by GVitanza View Post
Sorry but Focus/Rage spec, needs to be nerfed. Saying bubble stun needs to get nerfed when it is one of the only defenses a sorc healer/dps build has is stupid. Most ppl in wzs role jug/guardian smash spec and once overgeared and you have at least 2 on 1 team, odds aren't in your favor. AND it takes very little skill to actually play focus/rage spec. I don't think all its perk should be taken away but I think its overpowered. But then again they do have to cater to less skilled to keep them playing.
Both needs a nerf, I play a marauder Annihilation. I love annihilation but I'm playing carnage all the time, I can not play Rage because I think it's dumb as hell.
In 1.7 I expect roots will afect resolve, smash nerfed, bubble nerfed, 4sec stun from DPS removed. Only in tank and healing tree you'll have a 4sec stun in the 5th line of the tree.
Sniper/slinger, Assassin/Shadow DPS, Powertech/Vang DPS, Operative/Scoundrel DPS, Sorcerer/Sage DPS. If you are a DPS, no 4sec stun for you.
"But I'll not kill a healer alone..", a healer it's not supposed to be killed by just 1 DPS.
You'll lose your stun but the pvp will be funnier for everybody.