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Urael
12.11.2012 , 02:28 PM | #541
Quote: Originally Posted by United_Strafes View Post
They're not milking anything from you. Buy it or don't buy it there is no milking. I think the stuff is all garbage and would never consider spending anthing but my monthly allowance and find it laughable that people actually do.

I care about 1 thing, content and fixes for my monthly subscription fee, so far besides the 5 months that gave 0 content they're doing ok since F2P if they keep rolling content I'll be happy, and if that content is a result of dummies buying gambling boxes so be it.
And so it begins ...

we are headed to P2Win. We are also headed to pay for content ( even if you are a sub ). I am not talking about Expacs I am talking about things like incremental patchs in the CC store. Hey if people buy it, it must be ok right? We will also see the addition of drops in FPs and OPs that are lock boxes where you have to pay for keys to unlock the contents and the contents being "random" with no real loot table so not you have an rng for a drop box on top of an rng for the box becasue EA can make you pay for it.

"Hey they aren't gouging ... but, they're charging."

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Goretzu
12.11.2012 , 02:38 PM | #542
Quote: Originally Posted by Quraswren View Post
Unlike you, I understand nothing is ever free. Even spiders.
So you'd complain because you'd think they would charge you for the dead spider? I thought money was never the issue for you?
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At least you understand the concept of marketing something people don't need but doing so they think they do. You of course sound like you fell hook line and sinker for it even if you don't like it. But, thumbs up for you on that.
Again though the same can be said of anything in SWTOR, including any bug.
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Which is fine with me. It is there game but given this one aspect of the game and how little ot affects anything. the hyperbole around here is amazing.
You said you wanted a way to get these items in game.
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Pricing in no way others me. Not putting things in game play to be acquired is bothersome. Clearly you're smart enough to see the difference?
See you're saying that again, but you'd complain because you think they might charge you extra for a spider on your steak. Which is it? You can see why I'm confused here surely.
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Nope, among the things I think your POV has lead you to the wrong conclusion on, this is another one.
We'll have to agree to agree.
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Well guess what? There is no event so you don't have to pay. REJOICE!
Would you be ok to pay for such an event? And if so how much would be reasonable?
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Might be best to not speculate and assume though. That leads you to wrong conclusions and such other things.
To be fair though I was bang on with my speculation and assumption that there was no event, so I'm not to worried about being wrong.
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BJWyler
12.11.2012 , 02:40 PM | #543
Quote: Originally Posted by HarleysRule View Post
ALL business is about making money, but many of them manage to at least make you think they value you as a customer, and don't just treat you like a credit card number.
Which is mainly a matter of personal opinion and reflection. There are plenty of businesses out there that very much treat you like a number and they still do all right. It's up to the individual to decide to patronize them or not. Just like the commercialization of holidays - if it wasn't popular or profitable it wouldn't be done. Since it is, then they are. We don't have to like it, but then again, that's Life and Life isn't fair. Anyone who said (or says) otherwise is an idiot.

BJ
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Quraswren
12.11.2012 , 02:40 PM | #544
Quote: Originally Posted by Urael View Post
And so it begins ...

we are headed to P2Win. We are also headed to pay for content ( even if you are a sub ). I am not talking about Expacs I am talking about things like incremental patchs in the CC store. Hey if people buy it, it must be ok right? We will also see the addition of drops in FPs and OPs that are lock boxes where you have to pay for keys to unlock the contents and the contents being "random" with no real loot table so not you have an rng for a drop box on top of an rng for the box becasue EA can make you pay for it.

"Hey they aren't gouging ... but, they're charging."
I wish I had your crystal ball. My magic 8 ball keeps saying, "Cannot predict now" [shakes again]

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MiraniSedai
12.11.2012 , 02:40 PM | #545
Quote: Originally Posted by Urael View Post
And so it begins ...

we are headed to P2Win. We are also headed to pay for content ( even if you are a sub ). I am not talking about Expacs I am talking about things like incremental patchs in the CC store. Hey if people buy it, it must be ok right? We will also see the addition of drops in FPs and OPs that are lock boxes where you have to pay for keys to unlock the contents and the contents being "random" with no real loot table so not you have an rng for a drop box on top of an rng for the box becasue EA can make you pay for it.

"Hey they aren't gouging ... but, they're charging."
In the end it comes down to what WILL people pay for and what not. If enough people refuse to pay for something then the company changes strategy or shuts down the game.

Like most people there are things I AM willing to pay for. Supporting the commercialization of holidays (here or in real life) I will will not do.

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BJWyler
12.11.2012 , 02:44 PM | #546
Quote: Originally Posted by Goretzu View Post
Then why does it bother you so much?

I win the bet btw:
It doesn't bother me. You were the one who wanted an answer and seems perturbed by the state of the Cartel Market. And others were/are disturbed by the lack of a new Life Day themed live event. I am not for either case. For me, it's business as usual for my game play - and it would be the same if they did have an event planned.

BJ
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DarthZak
12.11.2012 , 02:45 PM | #547
Title says it all really but I'll elaborate, please note this isnt a "BW SUX LOL" thread. I'm putting a lot of thought and effort in this post

With today's 1.6 patch I dont even know anymore if Ill stick around as a paying subscriber. Why? So many reasons!
First of all lets start with the patch itself, it came out very fast, about 3hours before they said it would be and thats a good thing right? Wrong. There's inherent bugs in it that should've been fixed and plain lies in the patchnotes. Items instantly binding to people from Cartel packs? Subscribers not being able to log in but being put in a queue (to which the CS doesnt even bother to reply), apparently low XP from Warzones and a few others Ive seen floating around. Come on BioWare, this was your moment to shine! 1.5 brought so many tasty goodies! A Cartel Market that was optional and more people coming in to play, it was going to be fun!
But then the greed kicked in didnt it? This brings me to part two.
You're getting greedy BioWare/EA (I dont know who is to blame here so I'll keep putting both) and I dont like it.

You're selling Life Day stuff exclusively on the Cartel Market, why? If the subscribers got something out of it, fine but we dont get anything except some fireworks (woohoo....nice 1 year anniversary), and before people think Im being "entitled", this isn't being entitled. The people who subscribe have one up on the F2P people and this is past the no limits on Ops and Warzones. I pay $15 a month for this game and I was planning on staying a subscriber simply because Id hope that I wasnt going to be excluded from special stuff like this, but now it appears I am being excluded unless I pay extra on top of my subscription and I cant afford that.
And then there's the new Grade 7 Space stuff. If this is any indication for your Super Secret Space Project you can cancel it, its money grabbing. You know damn well that a lot of people will be too lazy to earn all those comms/creds and whatnots. I hope that people realize that this is also something thats simply NOT done and express this by not buying the upgrades and not playing the new Space missions.

And then I just read that there's no events planned for either the anniversary OR Christmas? Im not a religious person and I dont really care about Christmas but even I recognise it as THE holiday of most of your customers.
Again this was a chance for you to shine BioWare! No Life Day event means that the Life Day stuff you put on the Cartel Market will have no significant value since lets be honest, it aint that pretty.

All of these things combined make me fear BioWare... it makes me fear for the new species, will they be Cartel Market only? Will subscribers have to pay extra for them? And what about Makeb? How big of an expansion will it be and will subscribers get any good deals on that? What about the good old CE vendor? Are you forgetting about that? Will you finally get all of your CS representatives to the same competence since some of them really suck at following their scripting or have no imagination to think outside of the box (Im available if you need me, Ive done it before)? Or will you give up on us, your loyal people, and only care about money? Are you going to play the money game rather than the game game.
You guys are BioWare for pete's sake! You guys made RPG's to what they are today! Baldurs Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Knight of the Old Republic, Dragon Age: Origins and even Mass Effect 1! gosh darnit, you're making me angry here! And sad... sad because we dont want to lose a company that contributed so much to us. Angry because you are letting yourself get played like idiots!
So I implore you developers, artists, writers, programmers and management of BioWare. Leave BioWare/EA behind if they are in the way between you and great games, if they force you onto this mediocrity of gaming. Dont let yourself become part of a milkmachine like Activision and EA Sports.
Leave or tell EA where to stick it and make some GOOD content for SWTOR (and other games) with thoughts to the FANS and not the money. I understand you guys have a certain ROI you need to make, but this isnt how to do it. This is thinking on short term.

Show us that you love us as much as we love you, because we have infinite love for you and your games.

Please, turn it in the other direction when it was good. Remember that we always love you and we know its not all your fault

To the people who are making these "business choices": I don't wanna talk to you no more, you empty headed animal food trough wiper! I fart in your general direction! Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!
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Urael
12.11.2012 , 02:50 PM | #548
Quote: Originally Posted by MiraniSedai View Post
In the end it comes down to what WILL people pay for and what not. If enough people refuse to pay for something then the company changes strategy or shuts down the game.

Like most people there are things I AM willing to pay for. Supporting the commercialization of holidays (here or in real life) I will will not do.
I appriciate your view. Today 11Dec2012 is the day that SWTOR became so much ash in my mouth. I said if it started to trend to P2win I was out. We are headed down that path with the P2win space mods.

"Hey EA isn't gouging ... but, their charging."

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Goretzu
12.11.2012 , 02:53 PM | #549
Quote: Originally Posted by BJWyler View Post
It doesn't bother me. You were the one who wanted an answer and seems perturbed by the state of the Cartel Market. And others were/are disturbed by the lack of a new Life Day themed live event. I am not for either case. For me, it's business as usual for my game play - and it would be the same if they did have an event planned.

BJ
Well you post an awful, awful lot on this subject for someome that absolutely doesn't care one way or another about any of it.

Quote: Originally Posted by Quraswren View Post
I wish I had your crystal ball. My magic 8 ball keeps saying, "Cannot predict now" [shakes again]
He's not using a magic 8-ball, unfortunately he's directly quoting what an EA exec said about 6 months ago now.
Real Star Wars space combat please, not Star Wars Fox! Maybe some PvP and flight too?
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Anzel
12.11.2012 , 02:53 PM | #550
Quote: Originally Posted by Sepyuff View Post
You really need to see the Star Wars Chrismas special. . . . . . . . . . .
I understand the context you are saying this in but... NO. Nobody should ever see the Star Wars Christmas Special. Not under any circumstances. Not for any reason whatsoever. No. Just no.
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