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Pay2Win Space Missions ???

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ZORG
12.11.2012 , 09:35 AM | #61
Quote: Originally Posted by Dirtyshadow View Post
the completiion of said space missions results in daily, blackhole and fleet commendations, and credits... ingame currency farming.

Also just saw them ingame. I feel really sick in my stomach.
Thats just plain disgusting... 2nd interation of cartel market, and its already taken a shady turn.
Even if its just the space "mini" game, thats just plain wrong, selling the items that require large volume ingame grinding... I hope this is something they STOP here and never repeat again, cause if it turns up again.

The only thing the store should be selling is new ships, ship skins, colour crystals for ships imo... not usable, and top level space combat gear.
Considering purchasing these upgrades has no effect on any other player other then the player who buys them this is win win.

You cant even show off the fact that you have these upgrades to others. There is no space pvp. If there was I could see the argument. I wont be buying these upgrades cause I can get them for free in game. I say good on EA for capitalizing on an area of the game that's entirely solo.
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ReallYDeepMan
12.11.2012 , 09:38 AM | #62
Quote: Originally Posted by HelinCarnate View Post
Correct, but for most people, they cannot complete the new missions without the gade 7 stuff. So they have to grind out for a month to get the upgrades or take the easy way and just buy the gear. I am afraid that many will simply just buy the gear and this will just encourage EA to put in more p2w stuff in the game.
This is exactly my concern as well.

The other thing that bothers me here is that they didn't just take an existing obstacle and then give you a P2W path around it ... they created a new obstacle, and gave you a P2W path around it.

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Goretzu
12.11.2012 , 09:39 AM | #63
Quote: Originally Posted by ZORG View Post
Considering purchasing these upgrades has no effect on any other player other then the player who buys them this is win win.

You cant even show off the fact that you have these upgrades to others. There is no space pvp. If there was I could see the argument. I wont be buying these upgrades cause I can get them for free in game. I say good on EA for capitalizing on an area of the game that's entirely solo.

Again though, they balance the grinds so people P2W instead of doing the grinds, this has the inevitablc conclusion of meaning that player that DO NOT P2W have longer and longer grinds instead.
Real Star Wars space combat please, not Star Wars Fox! Maybe some PvP and flight too?
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Narthil
12.11.2012 , 09:41 AM | #64
Since space missions are single player and not MMO, I won't complain.

This hits PvErs as much in the head as PvPers got hit by changing the WH set commendation requirement.

It took me 6 months to get full WH, now I can get it in a week.
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dpwms
12.11.2012 , 09:41 AM | #65
I happily bought the three space gear packs this morning. My time is more valuable to me than the few dollars they cost. I'd rather spend it playing the game than grinding for gear. I like what BW is dowing with their store and hope they continue to offer options for acquiring gear that would otherwise require a long, tedious grind to get.

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BJWyler
12.11.2012 , 09:41 AM | #66
If it's available to be gained in-game, then it's not pay to win. In fact, it's just the opposite - someone who would buy that gear in the store instead of grind for it would have less game time and experience than the player who put the time in, thus, all else being equal, the player who put the time in would be more skilled than the buyer and thus still have the advantage.

A lot of players throw around the P2W card without having the faintest idea of what P2W really means. If you want an example, Google ZT Online. That is what Pay to Win is. As long as the Cash Shop does not offer one piece of gear with stats better than anything that can be gotten by playing the game, then no matter what gear it is, it is not P2W.

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Goretzu
12.11.2012 , 09:43 AM | #67
Quote: Originally Posted by BJWyler View Post
If it's available to be gained in-game, then it's not pay to win. In fact, it's just the opposite - someone who would buy that gear in the store instead of grind for it would have less game time and experience than the player who put the time in, thus, all else being equal, the player who put the time in would be more skilled than the buyer and thus still have the advantage.

A lot of players throw around the P2W card without having the faintest idea of what P2W really means. If you want an example, Google ZT Online. That is what Pay to Win is. As long as the Cash Shop does not offer one piece of gear with stats better than anything that can be gotten by playing the game, then no matter what gear it is, it is not P2W.

BJ
Nonsense.

P2W occurs whenever a player can circumvent an aspect of the game simply by paying money to do so.
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ReallYDeepMan
12.11.2012 , 09:43 AM | #68
Quote: Originally Posted by ZORG View Post
Considering purchasing these upgrades has no effect on any other player other then the player who buys them this is win win.
There will be an impact, it should start to depress the price of the Stabilizers as increased supply enters the market, given that, once people can do the new missions, they'll be netting 240 Fleet comms in 30 minutes, rather than the former 100 Comms in 70 minutes.

The increased access to BH comms could also reduce the demand on the grade 27 crafted stuff.

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dpwms
12.11.2012 , 09:47 AM | #69
Quote: Originally Posted by Goretzu View Post
Nonsense.

P2W occurs whenever a player can circumvent an aspect of the game simply by paying money to do so.
No, using an official means of acquiring an in-game item is not a circumvention.

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ReallYDeepMan
12.11.2012 , 09:48 AM | #70
I'm also curious if it'll have an impact on Group Finder queues. 5 BH Comms for a 30 min FP or 12 BH Comms for 30 Minutes of space combat. For those with limited play times (especially DPS who sit in the queue longer) it could be attractive.