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I saved another planet!!! ....again...

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I saved another planet!!! ....again...

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Urael
12.10.2012 , 04:07 PM | #31
Quote: Originally Posted by JeffNyman View Post
What you're describing is mimesis-breaking and it's common in games but in MMOs -- particularly those that strive for story -- it might be impossible to avoid. After all, on Korriban I can see twenty Khem Val's running around. Nothing kills immersion in a story than something like that -- if you go solely for that kind of immersion.

When you go to a planet, no matter how many mobs you kill, they always respawn thus it seems like you have no effect whatsoever. Whatever you just blew up: it's still there for the next player. The big bad boss you just killed: he's back again. The same guys I just helped from a crashed spaceship are STILL at that crashed spaceship.

A consequence-persistent world that never breaks immersion seems unlikely in an MMO because it's a shared space. The events of consequence only have relevance (from an immersion standpoint) if you don't notice that everything you just did has been "reset" save for your memory of the event. I suppose the good thing is that the area where you did your story deeds is often closed off once you've done them so at least that part is not thrown in your face.

I have to admit that as a new player to MMOs this is something I initially struggled with since nothing seemed like it really mattered, given that everything was pretty much in the same state after as it was before.
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SNCommand
12.10.2012 , 04:28 PM | #32
Sometimes I wonder if people in this forum play games at all, would it shock you to know you weren't the only one playing as the dragonborn in skyrim?
Quote: Originally Posted by Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw
Personally I would slap Georges hands away from the editing desk, give him a colouring book and then remake the entire prequel trilogy so that Darth Vader uses the force to win breakdance competitions and chokes to death anyone who utters the word midichlorians.

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Urael
12.10.2012 , 04:32 PM | #33
Quote: Originally Posted by SNCommand View Post
Sometimes I wonder if people in this forum play games at all, would it shock you to know you weren't the only one playing as the dragonborn in skyrim?
I don't that that is FooBard's point.

I mean I KNOW *I* am "the chosen one" it's just the rest of you that are pretenders.

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SNCommand
12.10.2012 , 04:38 PM | #34
Quote: Originally Posted by Urael View Post
I don't that that is FooBard's point.

I mean I KNOW *I* am "the chosen one" it's just the rest of you that are pretenders.
I think it's exactly the point he's trying to make, he's complaining about being the "chosen one" who suddenly appears and fix everything in a world full of helpless halfwits and it's a glory he has to share with thousands of others with the same accomplishment, just like 90% of all games these days
Quote: Originally Posted by Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw
Personally I would slap Georges hands away from the editing desk, give him a colouring book and then remake the entire prequel trilogy so that Darth Vader uses the force to win breakdance competitions and chokes to death anyone who utters the word midichlorians.

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FooBard
12.10.2012 , 04:42 PM | #35
Quote: Originally Posted by Vlacke View Post
Oh look, another QQ thread that reeks of trolling.
This is the only troll post I've seen so far in this thread. Good job mate.


I got quite a kick out of a lot of the responses though. heh.

I guess though I didn't sound out my concern clearly enough.

What I was really trying to say is, "MOST" of the area quests.... would have suited me far better if they would have been more to the tune of "Thanks for the help!", rather than "Thanks for saving our planet!".

.... if that makes sense.

Yea, I get that each person gets to experience that "hero" affect... but when we go overboard with it... it quickly losed its savor.

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Urael
12.10.2012 , 04:53 PM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by FooBard View Post
This is the only troll post I've seen so far in this thread. Good job mate.


I got quite a kick out of a lot of the responses though. heh.

I guess though I didn't sound out my concern clearly enough.

What I was really trying to say is, "MOST" of the area quests.... would have suited me far better if they would have been more to the tune of "Thanks for the help!", rather than "Thanks for saving our planet!".

.... if that makes sense.

Yea, I get that each person gets to experience that "hero" affect... but when we go overboard with it... it quickly losed its savor.
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AshlaBoga
12.10.2012 , 05:07 PM | #37
Quote: Originally Posted by Revanchis View Post
Really, because the idea of being a no name grunt who just slightly tips the odds in their favour seems like a pretty weak story.
Not just a week story, a boring one. Why would I pay to be a no name grunt? I can do that in real life
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Mossesman
12.10.2012 , 05:36 PM | #38
What else will they do? Would people enjoy a story where your just some random person?

Take the Trooper storyline for example. Instead of doing all the herioc things you do (i wont spoil), would you rather have act 3 as "Your on Guard duty! Patrol around the base for a few hours until your shift is over" Level up!
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Aelther
12.10.2012 , 05:39 PM | #39
Personally I LOVE how you are supposed to be the ONLY hero who saves the day all the time... well or 4 of you in flashpoints, instead of other MMOs where some Major NPC always gets all the credit for YOUR work, and you either don't get mentioned at all, or get some silly 'and these brave heroes' line at best.

It's the first MMO that makes you feel like YOU actually did something meaningful for once and the story truly revolves around your character.

I mean THIS: http://youtu.be/4W4KIEoo9So is much more satisfying than THIS: http://youtu.be/bYeOtY3sCD8?t=47s
And THIS: http://youtu.be/e4_6qyg-DwU?t=6m18s is much more satisfying than THIS: http://youtu.be/qAIrj_Vqdfc , etc

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CosmicKat
12.10.2012 , 05:45 PM | #40
You have it all wrong....

You're not playing the "Chosen One". You are playing a brain damaged lunatic who the whole universe is humouring. Oh sure, they tell you that you saved Alderaan from an Imperial invasion.

I checked.... After I saved it, it's still in exactly the same condition it was before I even arrived.

I'm even beginning to suspect the whole universe is just an elaborate re-enactment of something important that happened to the real "Chosen One". I swear Bob The Sith outside that Republic base keeps getting up and resuming his position every few minutes. I mean if they were really well-trained Imperials, they should be harder to kill than one-armed geriatric toll both attendants. Something is fishy.