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Why is there no long hair or curly hair in game?

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Why is there no long hair or curly hair in game?

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Prettyevilish
12.07.2012 , 09:44 PM | #21
I've made lots of hair for some mod friendly games and I will tell you, it's a pain in the butt. Even once you get the gravity to function properly with the whole thing you have the issue with clothing sizes. So long hair would need to be modified to be able to lay against the body in medium and light armor and to float above the body - on top of the armor - in heavy armor, and anything that has hair over the shoulders will need to be programmed to go over chest pieces/breasts in various types of armor.

Hair is a nightmare with clipping issues - and more than a few times I've completely thrown away an entire hair project because it was too much of a pita (or released it half-assed because people kept asking for it, but with a proper warning that it clipped like crazy or only had functional gravity from the shoulder up).

As for curly hair, if you want hair that is truly curly from a 3D perspective, you're going to kill many graphics cards OR the hair will look bad on low settings. To keep that from happening you can lay a curly texture on top of a flat mesh, and it looks kind of curly depending on the angle you look at it from, but it's not really curly - which would probably satisfy some people, but lead to complaints from others.

TL;DR, hair in video games is the freakin' devil and if everyone would just go bald already programmers would have an easier time getting content out. So go bald already! I'd rather have a whole new range of makeups and scars anyway.

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Lithy
12.07.2012 , 09:46 PM | #22
Japanese MMOs have hair down your back all the time, PSU, PSO2... I think american artists just dont wanna deal with it. I hate it, personally. I'd love to have hair like mine on my characters.
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Damask_Rose
12.07.2012 , 10:10 PM | #23
I would think they could at least make braids with similar physics to Twi'leks' lekku...
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KoveeDSeeker
12.07.2012 , 10:18 PM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by Damask_Rose View Post
I would think they could at least make braids with similar physics to Twi'leks' lekku...
Yea, long braids would be nice.

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DemonicPenguin
12.09.2012 , 10:09 AM | #25
My main complaint would be facial hair. There's no slight or varying lenghts of facial hair, except for the 2 complexion options that I've found. I'd love to have a slight goatee, instead it looks like I've been growing it for a month. The same with beards, the only option is Grizzly Adams or nothing.

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RazielHex
12.09.2012 , 10:21 AM | #26
Quote: Originally Posted by Hestis View Post
I just want to know why so many male hairstyles are some form of balding.
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OddballEasyEight
12.09.2012 , 11:13 AM | #27
Quote: Originally Posted by Lium View Post
I feel like this is an issue for western developers. Asian developers don't seem to have any trouble making long flowing hair for both male and female avatars. See: Aion and Tera.
Because those games were developed for (and by) an asian market mainly dominated by hormone-overflowing men who have a bizarre interest in making "pretty little girls with almost no clothes on", so they spent a ton of development on that instead of other things?
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Alec_Fortescue
12.09.2012 , 11:27 AM | #28
I don't believe it's because of clipping. Just a lazy design . Hair is already static as it is, nobody would mind long hair being "glued".

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Jawa-Punter
12.09.2012 , 11:31 AM | #29
It's traditional for BAMFs to have long hair. Just look at how many there are.

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You can't be a BAMF without long hair. Just look at Samson and James Hetfield. If you cut off someone's hair they lose their powers and/or talent.

Quote: Originally Posted by lollie View Post
Clipping issues most likely. No sure about why there's no curly hair if it's short though.
In other words laziness, which is an excuse you don't get to make when you had a 200+ million dollar budget.

Quote: Originally Posted by RazielHex View Post
Military Indoctrination.

The only people who wouldn't be related to military indoctrination are Bounty Hunters and Smugglers.
And Jedi and Sith and probably agents since they're supposed to be able to blend in at very un-military places. That's 5 out of 8 classes, more than half of them.

Quote: Originally Posted by Lithy View Post
Japanese MMOs have hair down your back all the time, PSU, PSO2... I think american artists just dont wanna deal with it. I hate it, personally. I'd love to have hair like mine on my characters.
Those aren't MMOs. Lineage 2 would have been a better example. Even WoW lets you have long hair and it's almost a decade old.

Quote: Originally Posted by Prettyevilish View Post
I've made lots of hair for some mod friendly games and I will tell you, it's a pain in the butt. Even once you get the gravity to function properly with the whole thing you have the issue with clothing sizes. So long hair would need to be modified to be able to lay against the body in medium and light armor and to float above the body - on top of the armor - in heavy armor, and anything that has hair over the shoulders will need to be programmed to go over chest pieces/breasts in various types of armor.

Hair is a nightmare with clipping issues - and more than a few times I've completely thrown away an entire hair project because it was too much of a pita (or released it half-assed because people kept asking for it, but with a proper warning that it clipped like crazy or only had functional gravity from the shoulder up).

As for curly hair, if you want hair that is truly curly from a 3D perspective, you're going to kill many graphics cards OR the hair will look bad on low settings. To keep that from happening you can lay a curly texture on top of a flat mesh, and it looks kind of curly depending on the angle you look at it from, but it's not really curly - which would probably satisfy some people, but lead to complaints from others.

TL;DR, hair in video games is the freakin' devil and if everyone would just go bald already programmers would have an easier time getting content out. So go bald already! I'd rather have a whole new range of makeups and scars anyway.
Or developers could just stop making ridiculous armor with Dracula collars and shoulder pads the size of small cars and it wouldn't be an issue.

Quote: Originally Posted by VigDiath View Post
That's one thing I hate about this game is the hair styles. The options suck except for women for the most part. Can I get a Jedi Afro added to this please?????
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KoveeDSeeker
12.09.2012 , 12:08 PM | #30
Ok, how about everyone find pics of people from Star wars with longer hair. Princess Layla had her hair in a long braid once I remember.