The real problems with the current state of PVP

To the OP points

1. A metric is a standard of measure, not something that is made up without even attempt to define how the values are assigned. WOWFARM is at worst useless and at best distracting from any conversation, not because of WOW in the term, but because its presented as a defined quantifiable measure when it is obviously anything but.
Also, going through "rotations" requires no responsiveness. It is cycling through scripted moves timed with a combination of GCDs, gaming hardware, connectivity, and server side hardware. Execution of rotations depends upon several variables which are on the user side of the equation. If there were large server side or software variables that were changing erratically, then all players would experience them. Several posters have stated that they do not. Take it as you will. Others have suggested changing settings to attain desirable results.

2. As previously pointed out status notifications do exist. They may not be presented in the UI in a way that is most favorable, that can be debated. Their existence cannot be.

3. Targeting a specific player in the midst of a large group is more difficult than some other games is true. But it is your opinion that this is a negative. One might also suggest that it is a positive.

4. Your opinion of "too much CC" is not supported. If that is your belief, please give useful examples. Others have pointed out resolve as one counter. The statement of 2v1 being a "complete lock" is an exaggeration, not to mention 2v1 is not a balanced situation to begin with.


What one calls "vital", another calls "easy mode". Target of target assist training IMO is easy mode. One could suggest that no target of target, coupled with small "hard to target in groups" boxes, makes for more interesting PvP.


Finally, some posters appear to have experienced some lack of responsiveness; however, it seems unclear as to the source. What has been presented thus far is not clearly attributable to the actual game design. If (as suggested) there were an underlying problem in the design, wouldn't that by definition imply that the level of responsiveness would be universally poor, not intermittent in nature? Such intermittent issues imply connectivity or server load issues, which may well need to be addressed.

To the OP points

1. A metric is a standard of measure, not something that is made up without even attempt to define how the values are assigned. WOWFARM is at worst useless and at best distracting from any conversation, not because of WOW in the term, but because its presented as a defined quantifiable measure when it is obviously anything but.
Also, going through "rotations" requires no responsiveness. It is cycling through scripted moves timed with a combination of GCDs, gaming hardware, connectivity, and server side hardware. Execution of rotations depends upon several variables which are on the user side of the equation. If there were large server side or software variables that were changing erratically, then all players would experience them. Several posters have stated that they do not. Take it as you will. Others have suggested changing settings to attain desirable results.

2. As previously pointed out status notifications do exist. They may not be presented in the UI in a way that is most favorable, that can be debated. Their existence cannot be.

3. Targeting a specific player in the midst of a large group is more difficult than some other games is true. But it is your opinion that this is a negative. One might also suggest that it is a positive.

4. Your opinion of "too much CC" is not supported. If that is your belief, please give useful examples. Others have pointed out resolve as one counter. The statement of 2v1 being a "complete lock" is an exaggeration, not to mention 2v1 is not a balanced situation to begin with.


What one calls "vital", another calls "easy mode". Target of target assist training IMO is easy mode. One could suggest that no target of target, coupled with small "hard to target in groups" boxes, makes for more interesting PvP.


Finally, some posters appear to have experienced some lack of responsiveness; however, it seems unclear as to the source. What has been presented thus far is not clearly attributable to the actual game design. If (as suggested) there were an underlying problem in the design, wouldn't that by definition imply that the level of responsiveness would be universally poor, not intermittent in nature? Such intermittent issues imply connectivity or server load issues, which may well need to be addressed.

What I'd like to know is exactly how the OP got the number 6/10. Cause I got 8.5/10, check your math.

1) The WOWFARM (World of Warcraft Fluidity and Responsiveness Metric) is a 6/10 at best. It is incredibly frustrating to go through your spell rotation even in a PVE scenario only to find out that 1/2 of the spells didn't go off because of poor responsiveness. This will push pvper's away from this game fast if not addressed. You see it as the number one concern time and time again as was demonstrated in games like AOC & Warhammer Online that had particularly bad WOWFARM ratings.

2) Status notifications are non-existant. Whether you're snared, rooted, stunned or otherwise impaired most spells don't have obvious status indicators. This would go a long way toward improving the WOWFARM score in and of itself.

3) Targeting is made difficult by small selection collision boxes. You have to be extremely exacting in clicking on a target. This problem exists in PVE but is more of an issue in PVP. The indicators for your selected target are also pretty poor. In a group of people it's often hard to tell which one you've actually targeted.

4) There is too much cc. No matter what class you are, if you've done any pvp, you know all about getting locked and rocked in this game. It's worse even than it was in AOC and that's saying something. A cc breaking skill with a long cooldown and no sustained cc immunity does not fix this problem.