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Just how Powerful what Nihilus?

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Just how Powerful what Nihilus?

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Beniboybling
12.08.2012 , 10:18 AM | #31
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I'd love to hear you explain this one.
I think he's confusing lack of continuity with plot holes/unanwsered questions - which was due to a mixture of cryptic Kreianess and an unfinished game.

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Lord_Karsk
12.08.2012 , 10:47 AM | #32
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I'm afraid you don't decide what is canon and what is not. And I'm afraid it is not canon fact that the Force can only influence the weak minded. The dark side basically disproves this, does the dark side not corrupt the mind and control their users with passions? Did Traya not make herself invisible to the Disciple? Did the Emperor not take over the minds of those Jedi Masters who came to apprehend him, turning them into mindless slaves? Did Bastila Shan not use Battle Meditation to turn the tide wars? Did Sidious not do the same? I could go on. I think your mistaking all mind effecting Force powers with the Jedi Mind trick. The Jedi mind trick is the only power that works on the weak minded. Sith magic, which is what Zannah uses and is established canon. And where did you get the idea the Drew doesn't know how the Force works?
Hmmm, perhaps. After all if she is referring to the Triumvirate she is basically slagging herself off... maybe she means both, or maybe not. Still there is a distinct difference between Revan, Malak's and Traya's Sith and the 'True SIth'. I think she was talking about heritage etc. and the fact that they are direct descendants of the 'original' Sith and there Empire.
Sry but most of those powers is not canon and will never be. If we ask the ultimate canon boss George Lucas
who sets the rules who do you think he will agree with ? i can promise you he will laught at Drews Sith lords for the most part.Only mayor Character made by Drew that is really canon is Revan and Bane.But what you have to understans is Drew learned alot from when he wrote Bane trilogy until he wrote Revan. With Revan he understands more how the force woeks.And what i said is true, Bane trilogy is just silly on most things like powers and yeah you know what i mean.

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Beniboybling
12.08.2012 , 11:14 AM | #33
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Sry but most of those powers is not canon and will never be. If we ask the ultimate canon boss George Lucas
who sets the rules who do you think he will agree with ? i can promise you he will laught at Drews Sith lords for the most part.Only mayor Character made by Drew that is really canon is Revan and Bane.But what you have to understans is Drew learned alot from when he wrote Bane trilogy until he wrote Revan. With Revan he understands more how the force woeks.And what i said is true, Bane trilogy is just silly on most things like powers and yeah you know what i mean.
Ever heard of the Holocron Continuity Database? George will agree with me because all the above have been accepted personally by George Lucas and classed as canon. Anything Star Wars has to be accepted by Lucas before it can become canon. KOTOR 1 & 2 and the Darth Bane Trilogy are C-Canon. And the dark side is G-Canon. Please read this. So yes, he does agree with all of those powers. And no, I don't know what you mean - none of the powers are remotely 'silly'.

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Lord_Karsk
12.08.2012 , 11:33 AM | #34
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling View Post
Ever heard of the Holocron Continuity Database? George will agree with me because all the above have been accepted personally by George Lucas and classed as canon. Anything Star Wars has to be accepted by Lucas before it can become canon. KOTOR 1 & 2 and the Darth Bane Trilogy are C-Canon. And the dark side is G-Canon. Please read this. So yes, he does agree with all of those powers. And no, I don't know what you mean - none of the powers are remotely 'silly'.
Wrong, Leland is not GL. Now when the new movies will come out George have said the stories will be new, not from C canon universe. George have said that the novels etc are like a paralel universe that is fan faction etc.
As i said there is a reason you dont see those powers etc in the movies because they dont belong there, because they are not canon in any way.A very few times George will bring in things from the novels but that is mostly planets, characters, names etc.

I mean cant you understand a basic thing like, if a Sith could use those mind powers he could take over the galaxy 900 years before Sidious did it thru politics.You have to understand these things and dont svallow everything in the novels just because some author wanted to make the most bad *** Sith ever in his own universe.
If you cant understand these things then you dont understand star wars.The PT overwrote alot what used to be canon, the ST will soon do the same from 2015 with epi VII.

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Aurbere
12.08.2012 , 11:58 AM | #35
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Wrong, Leland is not GL.
Except Leland Chee was appointed by George Lucas to keep everything in line. So when it comes to canon, Chee's word is of near equal status to GL's. But if George tells him he wants something removed, it gets removed. The fact that these "silly" powers haven't been retconned into oblivion obviously proves you wrong.
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Lord_Karsk
12.08.2012 , 12:05 PM | #36
Pretty hard to retconned when there is no Bane area movies

Btw the Bane trilogy is some of my favorire novels, but i can tell you guys there is no way in hell Zannah mind
powers are cannon, forget it..

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Beniboybling
12.08.2012 , 12:43 PM | #37
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Pretty hard to retconned when there is no Bane area movies

Btw the Bane trilogy is some of my favorire novels, but i can tell you guys there is no way in hell Zannah mind
powers are cannon, forget it..
Thats your opinion. They are canon however, if you like it or not.

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AngelAlkaiser
12.10.2012 , 11:16 AM | #38
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling View Post
Ever heard of the Holocron Continuity Database? George will agree with me because all the above have been accepted personally by George Lucas and classed as canon. Anything Star Wars has to be accepted by Lucas before it can become canon. KOTOR 1 & 2 and the Darth Bane Trilogy are C-Canon. And the dark side is G-Canon. Please read this. So yes, he does agree with all of those powers. And no, I don't know what you mean - none of the powers are remotely 'silly'.
So I read that entire wiki page. If you go only by George Lucas, nothing except the films is really canon. Though he also claimed there would never be another movie. So whatever that's worth. The artist in him has a deep conflict with the business side. Considering there's nothing to protect anything labeled C-canon if George Lucas suddenly decides to debunk it, that's really not much to go on.

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Beniboybling
12.10.2012 , 11:31 AM | #39
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So I read that entire wiki page. If you go only by George Lucas, nothing except the films is really canon. Though he also claimed there would never be another movie. So whatever that's worth. The artist in him has a deep conflict with the business side. Considering there's nothing to protect anything labeled C-canon if George Lucas suddenly decides to debunk it, that's really not much to go on.
But the fact he hasn't debunked it means we have to accept it as canon. And were not talking about an obscure EU novel, Darth Bane is a major work.

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AngelAlkaiser
12.10.2012 , 01:17 PM | #40
Not that I agree with Lucas, because others writers have put far more time and thought into SW than he has ever, but according to him it is of an "alternate" universe. If it belongs to a seperate universe, it begs the question of why even consider it canon at all?

Though I would be surprised if Disney doesn't do something about that in the near future.